Today's BCC meeting - 11/14/06

[Smiling JOe]

SJ, don't worry about the citizens that went home without an answer. The fact that it was postponed means the project is not approved at the moment.

I sense that you're in a pissy mood because the lawyer did not show up when you were seeking immediate gratification. I would have thought you, above all people, would understand that things of importance somtimes take slow and deliberate actions and reactions. It took approximately 5 years for the litigation between Sun Seekers and the County to finally come to an end.

For your information, the attorney was just recently retained. He wrote a letter to the county requesting that the discussion be postponed so that he could attend and properly prepare for the subject. That is one of the very reasons Cindy Meadows spoke up and pushed for the delay. Keep in mind that the Redfish Village agenda at the new lot had been going on for some time within the County before we on the west side of 83 were made aware. A "continuance" is a small and very wise gesture on the county's part considering the nature of the attorney's letter and of the situation.

If you think the "concerned citizens" were inconvenienced, as I know most of them personally, I can assure you they probably feel their efforts were worth the time.

Also you state "I am sure that the turnout will be even less than last night." You are starting to appear as negative as Shelly is about real estate.

Question: How many "concerned citizens" is one good lawyer worth?

I am not pissy today.

Let me ask you this. What would have been the result if a continuance had not been granted and the only people who were going to speak against the development were just ordinary citizens, without the slick, or is it sharp, words of an attorney? I remind you that the developer's attorney was present and was armed and ready for fighting. This is small town politricks and from what I know about the BCC, you guys could have lost it very quickly. As for the question of how many concerned citizens is one good lawyer worth? Good question, but last night, Commissioner Jones basically, in kind words, told one attorney, speaking on behalf of the Montgomery Street owners, to go screw himself. (Of course, that was only after the attorney told the BCC, in kind words, to shove it up.)

 

[Bob]

"Tell all the little sociopaths-in-training to crap in the VOR pool. Full Time, why not have the house next to you demolished so that you can experience a fancy port-o-let next door. Good luck finding your conscience."

Insults add nothing, though I am fascinated by your line of thought. Where your house sits in Orlando was at one time "undisturbed", and I'm sure someone liked it that way. Now, Orlando's different because of YOUR (and others) development. Our individual preferences and perceptions of good taste are not dispositive of the issues. I know many here (including myself) who have houses around or adjacent to neighborhood or public facilities and it does nothing to diminish value or detract from the appeal of the home or homesite. Thanks for sharing, Bob.

I voice my opinion based on my experiences. I have seen, over the years of my life beach towns in Central Florida exploit and ruin the coast with high density development and seawalls. Your comparing my single family residence in an urban environment to a high density condo development in one of best stretches of coastline left in the United States is intellectually weak. I am specifically insulting your unexamined viewpoint that leads to high dollar projects ruining the entire character of an area. Clear cutting coastal areas and stacking condos to extract the highest profit is short sighted and creates more problems for the community that future generations cannot easily solve. VOR is "in good taste" according to who? You? Much of the discussions on this board relates to developers putting their interests before the community. I suspect you may have an undisclosed vested interest here. I too, am an owner in South Walton, and I say you don't deserve the unsurpassed beauty of your own community if you can't see the forest for those unimportant trees.

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

I am not pissy today.

Fair enough.

Let me ask you this. What would have been the result if a continuance had not been granted and the only people who were going to speak against the development were just ordinary citizens, without the slick, or is it sharp, words of an attorney? I remind you that the developer's attorney was present and was armed and ready for fighting.

.Who knows? I know one of the ladies that was there is a real pistol when it comes to fighting for what she believes in. There was a good bit of emailing going on behind the scenes as well prior to this meeting.

This is small town politricks and from what I know about the BCC, you guys could have lost it very quickly. As for the question of how many concerned citizens is one good lawyer worth? Good question, but last night, Commissioner Jones basically, in kind words, told one attorney, speaking on behalf of the Montgomery Street owners, to go screw himself. (Of course, that was only after the attorney told the BCC, in kind words, to shove it up.)

Found this quote that fits...."Lawyers are the only profession where the more there are, the more are needed!" The Montgomery Street issue is definitely "screwed" up .

 

[josebby]

Any discussion of Prominence at the meeting?

 

[Smiling JOe]

Any discussion of Prominence at the meeting?

Yes, but I left after the first four hours and Prominence was still a few items down the list on the agenda. My guess is that there wasn't much discussion at all.

 

[BMBWalker]

I am not pissy today.

Let me ask you this. What would have been the result if a continuance had not been granted and the only people who were going to speak against the development were just ordinary citizens, without the slick, or is it sharp, words of an attorney? I remind you that the developer's attorney was present and was armed and ready for fighting. This is small town politricks and from what I know about the BCC, you guys could have lost it very quickly. As for the question of how many concerned citizens is one good lawyer worth? Good question, but last night, Commissioner Jones basically, in kind words, told one attorney, speaking on behalf of the Montgomery Street owners, to go screw himself. (Of course, that was only after the attorney told the BCC, in kind words, to shove it up.)

SJ...wasn't impressed with Mr. Miller's hot pink legal brief folder filled to the brim; probably was for show. Could have been filled with toilet paper, as far as we know

 

[Smiling JOe]

SJ...wasn't impressed with Mr. Miller's hot pink legal brief folder filled to the brim; probably was for show. Could have been filled with toilet paper, as far as we know

Lawyers don't impress me either, but at least Mr Miller showed up to represent his client. I failed to notice the Barbie legal folder under Mr Miller's arm. His country boy remarks reminded me of Matlock. ("I just have little 'ole me in my firm, not a bunch of high class lawyers...")

 

[BMBWalker]

Lawyers don't impress me either, but at least Mr Miller showed up to represent his client. I failed to notice the Barbie legal folder under Mr Miller's arm. His country boy remarks reminded me of Matlock. ("I just have little 'ole me in my firm, not a bunch of high class lawyers...")

SJ...how in the world could you miss that hot pink 4 inch legal folder filled to the brim? He made an effort to make sure everyone saw it; brought it up to the podium.

"little 'ole me" comments only make me aware that someone is usually trying to deceive or manipulate me. Poor 'ole Mr. Miller...he just has to sulk back to his beautiful, big house on Blue Mountain Road (75 feet away from an unrepaired public access walkover) and lick his wounds, bless his heart.

 

[Smiling JOe]

SJ...how in the world could you miss that hot pink 4 inch legal folder filled to the brim? He made an effort to make sure everyone saw it; brought it up to the podium.

"little 'ole me" comments only make me aware that someone is usually trying to deceive or manipulate me. Poor 'ole Mr. Miller...he just has to sulk back to his beautiful, big house on Blue Mountain Road (75 feet away from an unrepaired public access walkover) and lick his wounds, bless his heart.

I hear you. Kind of reminds me of Gus Andrews, a little 'ole me attorney in Defuniak Springs, playing like he doesn't have any money. Even if he doesn't have any, I guess he could always sell his private jet and get plenty of cash. ;-)

 

[Jim Tucker]

Does anyone know who the attorney is that the neighbors have hired?