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Amendments on the ballot 2008

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Amendment #6

Official Title:
Assessment of Working Waterfront Property Based Upon Current Use
Official Ballot Summary: (Click here for a PDF of the full text.)Provides for assessment based upon use of land used predominantly for commercial fishing purposes; land used for vessel launches into waters that are navigable and accessible to the public; marinas and drystacks that are open to the public; and water-dependent marine manufacturing facilities, commercial fishing facilities, and marine vessel construction and repair facilities and their support activities, subject to conditions, limitations, and reasonable definitions specified by general law. ​

While lobster and stone crab catches held steady at the docks over the last decade, property taxes at Manny's Sea Food went skyward as new condos rose near the Miami River.

Owner Manny Prieguez could do little about it, because state law basically requires counties to assess properties for what is known as their ''highest and best use'' -- rather than their actual use.

''So I've been getting taxed as if I was going to build a condo any day now, not running a seafood business'' Prieguez said. ``It's all crazy.''

Perhaps not for long. On Nov. 4, voters will decide on a proposed constitutional amendment designed to shield so-called ''working waterfronts'' from hefty tax assessments.

Recent polls suggest Amendment 6 will likely get 60 percent of the vote, the required threshold for passage.

Under the proposal, publicly accessible marinas, waterfront marine-manufacturing facilities and commercial fishing businesses would be taxed based on their current use, not what the property could become. Waterfront residences would not be covered.

Estimated statewide tax savings for all working waterfronts: $70 million to $80 million next year, according to the Legislature's Economic and Demographic Research division. Five-year savings: up to $350 million.

No one is sure of the exact savings because the Legislature will have to write laws to put the amendment into effect if it passes. The more broadly lawmakers interpret it, the bigger the business savings and the bigger the revenue hit to local governments and schools.

That said, opposition is scarce. Even the Florida Education Association, which successfully opposed two other constitutional amendments this year, hasn't taken a position on the amendment, though it could take about $30 million annually from schools statewide every year.

The amendment was proposed along with six others by the Taxation and Budget Reform Commission, which has the power to directly place amendments on the ballot. The commission acted at the urging of marina associations and commercial fishermen who said high assessments were all but forcing them to sell out to condo developers, thereby reducing public access to the water.

The marine industry had an economic impact of as much as $18 billion a year in the state when the economy was booming, employing 220,000 people, said Keyna Cory, chief lobbyist for Associated Industries of Florida.

''It's not that they don't want to pay taxes,'' Cory said. ``It's just that they want to pay their fair share. Some of these businesses have been passed from generation to generation.''

Prieguez, a former Miami legislator and lobbyist, said he began paying more than his fair share when the Neo River Lofts were built. His tax assessments at Manny's Sea Food started to jump, and now his $53,000 tax bill is almost double what it was in 2003. But the amendment won't mean big savings for everyone on the water.

In the Keys, the property appraiser says, he already can't assess marinas as if they were condos because state growth-management laws make it tough to add more residences. So the change could be minimal.

Broward County's property appraiser, Lori Parrish, said she also uses a different interpretation of the state's highest-and-best-use standard that enables her to assess marinas at their current use. Palm Beach County's property appraiser, Gary Nikolits, whose waterfront assessments are often higher than Parrish's, sparred with the Broward appraiser last spring over her methods.

Max Fricker, owner of an eight-acre marina in Palm Beach Gardens, clearly can't wait for help. From 2005 to 2006, his bill nearly doubled, jumping from $107,000 to almost $199,000 -- and that's after he and a slew of waterfront property owners in the area banded together to fight Nikolits' assessments.

All along, Fricker said, he has had to eat the higher tax bill. ''There's no way you can pass on that kind of an increase among your customers. They'll scream,'' he said.

There's less shouting in Miami-Dade because many of the working waterfronts were long ago converted to condos. The sponsor of the amendment, Sen. Gwen Margolis -- who is running for Miami-Dade property appraiser -- incorrectly assumed it would apply to small residential waterfront properties, which it does not. But she said in an interview that, if elected, she would lower assessments anyway by using more of Parrish's approach.

At Manny's Sea Food, Prieguez said he'll take whatever relief he can get.

''I don't want to build a condo. I don't want to be taxed like I'm building a condo. And neither do the fishermen who work for us,'' he said.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami-dade/story/735876.html
 
Amendment #8

Official Title:
Local Option Community Funding
Official Ballot Summary: (Click here for a PDF of the full text.)Proposing an amendment to the State Constitution to require that the Legislature authorize counties to levy a local option sales tax to supplement community college funding; requiring voter approval to levy the tax; providing that approved taxes will sunset after 5 years and may be reauthorized by the voters. ​

A proposed amendment to the state constitution on the Nov. 4 ballot would allow counties to ask voters if they want to pay extra sales tax to support community colleges, a move that comes as the schools struggle to deal with draconian state budget cuts.

Supporters say approval is critical for the future of higher education in Florida, particularly for those who may not be able to afford to attend four-year schools.

''Higher education in Florida is in a state of collapse,'' said Tom Auxter, president of the United Faculty of Florida union. ``This is a stop-gap emergency measure. If people care about community colleges and want to keep them from collapsing, then they need to do this.''

Amendment 8, known as the Local Option Community College Funding, would allow counties to present a local option referendum offering voters the choice to support their community college. Any tax increase approved by voters would expire after five years and would require fresh approval by voters to continue.

The measure has not drawn organized opposition. But not all community colleges favor the change, saying it would widen the funding gap between larger institutions more popular with voters -- like Miami Dade College -- and smaller, lesser-known ones.

Another worry: that the state will use the move as an excuse to provide less funding to public higher education.

''A lot of people are scared that -- much like the Lotto, which started as supplementary funding -- it would one day become expected and required'' to instead depend on local taxes, said John Grosskopf, acting president of North Florida Community College in Madison, whose board of trustees opposes the move.

RISING ENROLLMENT

Supporters say the amendment is necessary, however. At colleges around Florida, enrollment is increasing to accommodate students seeking new job skills during the economic downturn, said Carol Quinn, president of the board of directors of the Florida Association of Community Colleges.

''Budgets are tight and they are getting tighter, and this is an opportunity for the local community to chip in and help,'' Quinn said. ``We train our students to be able to get out into the workforce and earn a degree to be able to pay bills and get jobs and become viable citizens.''

Miami Dade College President Eduardo Padr?n said Amendment 8 is critical to maintaining the quality of colleges. He spoke of the local and state support community colleges have traditionally received, and the training they provide for essential jobs in the community, such as firefighters, emergency medical technicians and nurses.

''I am very convinced if this passes, the voters will respond overwhelmingly in support of this,'' he said. ``In down times, our enrollment goes up. But that's when the state has the least money.''

Padr?n, whose institution has led the charge for the amendment, said 29 states have funding structures through which local communities help finance community colleges, helping stabilize the funding.

''Different communities throughout Florida have different needs,'' he said, adding that there is ''nothing more democratic'' than allowing local communities to decide how to spend their tax money.

Other college leaders, like Grosskopf and Manatee Community College President Lars Hafner in Bradenton, argue that people in less-affluent, rural areas may not be able to afford tax hikes, even if they do want to help fund higher education.

And the financing might hurt community colleges that serve several counties, because voters in all the counties would have to approve a hike. North Florida Community College spans six counties; Manatee Community College two.

''A preferable outcome would be for the Legislature to adequately finance our community colleges,'' said Mark Purdlow, a spokesman for the Florida Education Association teachers union, which nevertheless supports the amendment as a stop-gap measure. ``Until such time that the Legislature decides to become more responsible about financing public education, we have to look at other options.''

FRESH FUNDING

Business leaders around the state worry that the future quality of the workforce in Florida could suffer if fresh funding isn't found to train people. Barney Bishop, president and CEO of Associated Industries of Florida, said community colleges are the lifeblood of local workforces, serving as recruiting and training grounds for industries as diverse as nursing and accounting.

''It's where the rubber really hits the road in the business community,'' Bishop said. ``When new companies come into town, we'll go to a community college and set up a training program. Colleges open so many doors for people. We can't take them for granted.''
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/florida/story/739199.html
 
Please bear in mind that when you vote "yes" for any amendment, you are further cluttering up the constitution and making it more difficult for our elected representative to do their jobs. Most of the intents of these amendments can be created by the enactment of laws originating in the legislature. That is where really needed changes should occur not in our constitution as a rule.

Kurt, thank you for the very good breakdown on the amendments on the ballot.
 
Please bear in mind that when you vote "yes" for any amendment, you are further cluttering up the constitution and making it more difficult for our elected representative to do their jobs. Most of the intents of these amendments can be created by the enactment of laws originating in the legislature. That is where really needed changes should occur not in our constitution as a rule.

Kurt, thank you for the very good breakdown on the amendments on the ballot.

exactly. why so many amendments?
 
Please bear in mind that when you vote "yes" for any amendment, you are further cluttering up the constitution and making it more difficult for our elected representative to do their jobs. Most of the intents of these amendments can be created by the enactment of laws originating in the legislature. That is where really needed changes should occur not in our constitution as a rule.

Kurt, thank you for the very good breakdown on the amendments on the ballot.

I think this is a great argument. Except for the legislature has been too worried about baggy pants to do much useful these days. :wave: I think most of the amendments are generally good ideas.
 
Dear John R Do you believe in GOD?

http://www.yes2marriage.org/

I have heard that Amendment 2 will hurt senior citizens and take away benefits. Is this true?
No. This is a fraudulent scare tactic of our opponents and they make the argument with no proof or explanation. A YES vote on Amendment 2 will do one thing and one thing only – protect the definition of marriage between one man and one woman but it does not prevent the government or private companies from extending benefits to whomever they wish. Our opponents know if they debate the merits of same sex marriage they will lose and so they are resorting to the desperate tactic of trying to scare Florida’s most vulnerable and precious citizens, our seniors.
 
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If you want to have a more informed viewpoint on how and whether Amendment 4 will benefit St. Joe, you should read "Green Empire". It will give you some idea of how St. Joe might choose to take advantage of selectively denoting land for conservation and what condition that land could possibly be in (i.e. freshly logged out) when it is submitted.

I'd like to know if the submission of land for conservation status is permanent, or if you can just "park" land in that state and then later develop it.

Not that I'm arguing against #4. I'll still choose to vote Yes on #4 for the broader good.
 
Dear John R Do you believe in GOD?

http://www.yes2marriage.org/

I have heard that Amendment 2 will hurt senior citizens and take away benefits. Is this true?
No. This is a fraudulent scare tactic of our opponents and they make the argument with no proof or explanation. A YES vote on Amendment 2 will do one thing and one thing only ? protect the definition of marriage between one man and one woman but it does not prevent the government or private companies from extending benefits to whomever they wish. Our opponents know if they debate the merits of same sex marriage they will lose and so they are resorting to the desperate tactic of trying to scare Florida?s most vulnerable and precious citizens, our seniors.

Polish lover, were you beat up as a child?

My God seems to be a little more even handed than yours, for he would not smite those who choose to live any way they want. Nor do I need to resort invoking the name of mine to bolster my uninformed opinion.

Your misguided interpretation of No. 2 and mine are quite different, as are the relevance of each of our questions to each other and the editorial that follows.

I'm sure you will go with God into the polls and he will guide you accordingly.
 
Dear JohnR, I asked you if you believe in God and you reply by asking me if I were beat up as a child? The answer is no. I was raised by my mom and dad who have been married for 53 years. And please explain to me about his other god?

Have a nice day ang God Bless America
 
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