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The above was her statement, and she commented "his most vociferous critics wrongly insisted that he could do no right." implying that Bush was capable of doing something right, but obviously not the things he did wrong she previously mentioned. At least that's the way I took it. She then goes on to defend Obama as someone who is not a "menace to America". In a round about way she is her own worst enemy! She is the one taking her country away from her! :D


do you think that Obama is a "menace to America?"

and do you think that taking us to war under false pretenses and tampering with the constitution were okay?

certainly I am not objective about the way we went to war--my son is one who served long and well and his life was on the line more than a few times. I am supportive of the defense of our country and after 911, I supported Bush even though it meant I might lose my only child. To defend our country against the ones who attacked us was one thing; to invade a country which had nothing to do with it was completely different. I have thought it wrong from the beginning and I still do. If I had been in the Congress, I would have voted no. I believe that even Bush has come to believe that and certainly history will show what really happened.

I certainly don't agree with everything that Obama has done, or not done, but I do not believe that he is someone who is trying to destroy the very country he leads. I do not believe he is the enemy, is trying to turn the US into a socialist country, or indoctrinate the children. And I don't think you do either.

That is crazy thinking IMO. Ffor those who disagree with the way things are done, there are much more constructive ways to express their disagreement. And this is what I think she is saying. As I have said before, this is protest for no reason. During the Vietnam war we protested, but it was to end the war--everything else had been tried, finally the only thing left was to take to the streets.

the anti-Obama group has not offered an alternative...no matter how much he reaches out to them. There is a difference between just saying no and offering up some alternatives. I know there must be someone in the Republican Party who could put together a plan that is reasonable for health insurance reform and plaster it all over the airwaves and the Internet and get people to see their point of view. There must be someone somewhere, but so far I have not seen any alternative plans. Have you? Absent their alternatives, the only thing I see being played out is opposition for oppositon sake.
 
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the anti-Obama group has not offered an alternative...no matter how much he reaches out to them. There is a difference between just saying no and offering up some alternatives. I know there must be someone in the Republican Party who could put together a plan that is reasonable for health insurance reform and plaster it all over the airwaves and the Internet and get people to see their point of view. There must be someone somewhere, but so far I have not seen any alternative plans. Have you? Absent their alternatives, the only thing I see being played out is opposition for oppositon sake.

There is a good article about that at NewsBusters.

If you get your news from the New York Times, however, you are most likely oblivious to the many areas in which congressional Republicans and President Obama agree.
Media Myth: GOP Has No Health Care Ideas | NewsBusters.org


And another here:
Democrats stifle Republican health care plans | Washington Examiner

Just for the record, in case you want to check them out, these are the bills proposed, so far, by Price and his allies in the House: H.R. 77; H.R. 109; H.R. 198; H.R. 270; H.R. 321; H.R. 464; H.R. 502; H.R. 544; H.R. 917; H.R. 1086; H.R. 1118; H.R. 1441; H.R. 1458; H.R. 1468; H.R. 1658; H.R. 1891; H.R. 2520; H.R. 2607; H.R. 2692; H.R. 2784; H.R. 2785; H.R. 2786; H.R. 2787; H.R. 3141; H.R. 3217; H.R. 3218; H.R. 3356; H.R. 3372; H.R. 3400; H.R. 3438; H.R. 3454; and H.R. 3478.

I looked up links to a few for you:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h.r.02520:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3217.IH:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:h3218:
 
I did not make my point clear enough I guess.

Why are the Republicans not undertaking a political campaign to get their plan out? Where is the Insurance Reform Plan that is comparable to the Contract with America?

If they wanted to make the point that their plan is better, then why not show the people what it is they have to offer?

As far as I can tell, none of this has been given "media blitz" exposure. Why doesn't the House leader go on a media blitz to offer up these ideas? Every time I see him on television, the only thing he talks about is how bad the president's plan is, or how the Democrats won't let him talk...He could command just as much attention, maybe more, in the media right now if he would ask for the time to demonstrate why his plan is better.

Wouldn't that be more productive that supporting all the protests that have no underlying alternative?

there must be a reason why he hasn't done so...
 
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do you think that Obama is a "menace to America?"

No but I do not like his political ideology.

and do you think that taking us to war under false pretenses and tampering with the constitution were okay?

Well did Bush take us to war knowing the intelligence was flawed? What about all the democrats who authorized the war? (and do we really need to rehash this, probably not.)

Is Obama tampering with the Constitution any worse than Bush tampered with it? Does he know he is doing it? Does he care?

certainly I am not objective about the way we went to war--my son is one who served long and well and his life was on the line more than a few times. I am supportive of the defense of our country and after 911, I supported Bush even though it meant I might lose my only child. To defend our country against the ones who attacked us was one thing; to invade a country which had nothing to do with it was completely different. I have thought it wrong from the beginning and I still do. If I had been in the Congress, I would have voted no. I believe that even Bush has come to believe that and certainly history will show what really happened.

I'm still waiting for the history books to be written detailing exactly what happened.

I certainly don't agree with everything that Obama has done, or not done, but I do not believe that he is someone who is trying to destroy the very country he leads.

Nor was Bush, but clearly you felt he did. Maybe you have something in common with those folks in Washington? :D

I do not believe he is the enemy, is trying to turn the US into a socialist country, or indoctrinate the children. And I don't think you do either.

I just disagree with his political ideology.

That is crazy thinking IMO. Ffor those who disagree with the way things are done, there are much more constructive ways to express their disagreement. And this is what I think she is saying. As I have said before, this is protest for no reason. During the Vietnam war we protested, but it was to end the war--everything else had been tried, finally the only thing left was to take to the streets.

I think the folks protesting have put up with years of government largess, most have lived through democratic rule, and they don't like what they see coming down the pipe. If they chose to protest, more power to them IMHO.

the anti-Obama group has not offered an alternative...no matter how much he reaches out to them. There is a difference between just saying no and offering up some alternatives. I know there must be someone in the Republican Party who could put together a plan that is reasonable for health insurance reform and plaster it all over the airwaves and the Internet and get people to see their point of view. There must be someone somewhere, but so far I have not seen any alternative plans. Have you? Absent their alternatives, the only thing I see being played out is opposition for oppositon sake.

Opposition against the policies being pushed by the folks in power. Perfectly reasonable reaction in my opinion. It gets attention, and is clearly having an effect on those policies as they form.
 
Questions

1) Is there any way to discuss Obama's presidency without dragging up Bush for a comparison, everytime?

2) To the last poster with the chip on his shoulder....is it possible to disagree with Mr. Obama's policies without playing the race card?

3) Has anyone been able to locate definitive language in any proposed bill that says whether or not illegal aliens would be covered under the new national health plan?

4) Shouldn't anyone here in the United States from another country have a passport? How can anyone get a legal ID here without a passport?

Thanks.
 
Miss Kitty your post at 3:41 am this morning brings out some good points. I want to address point #4.

I laughed when I heard complaints about illegal immigrants would be eligible for health care under the proposed plan. My first thought was I can just see illegals rushing in to register for coverage knowing they might/could/would/should be deported.

Obtaining a passport we know requires ID several pieces.
 
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My daughter attends a neighboring district which may at a later time allow Obama's speech in schools but didn't because of the stink made by some parents. The following is an interesting situation for the AISD to have gotten themselves in::roll:

Arlington ISD - NO to Obama speech, but YES to a trip to Cowboys Stadium to watch Bush. Snark Time.
by JWAdvocate


Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 08:01:19 PM PDT

After sharing this story with a friend, he said it was ridiculous, but "par for the course." While I agree, I think it is sad that school districts are now playing political games with students' participation in civics.

An exercise in snark, where plain disgust simply will not do.

JWAdvocate's diary :: ::
The Arlington ISD refused to air Obama's education speech in classrooms. (Sidenote, apparently during mock voting, AISD students voted for Obama 3-to-1.)

The AISD then plans to bus about 500 fifth-grade students to Cowboys Stadium to hear speeches from, amongst others, George W. Bush.

What's the difference? Why should k-12 students have to make their own way to listen to President Obama's speech, while AISD sends kids to hear President Bush speak at Cowboys Stadium?

(snark)

The distinction is clear, folks.

** The Obama speech was televised. Way too difficult to have students watch things on television during class! That never happens!

** Wait. Nevermind. Okay, but the Obama speech would have clearly been less exciting than going to see Bush speak at Cowboys Stadium! Nothing like shoring up some star-power to get students feeling more positive about everyone's favorite President! But seriously, this is different because the Bush event will have multiple speakers. Via USA Today:

District spokeswoman Veronica Sopher said the two events are different.

"The distinction is it?s a field trip that parents have to grant permission for students to attend," she said.

(Because AISD couldn't have done this with the Obama speech, and/or provided alternative instruction. Not possible. Wait, Fort Worth ISD did that? You bastards!)

"With parental permission, the selected classes will attend a field trip at the Cowboys Stadium, where they will hear from several different speakers."

That is why this is completely different. Because Troy Aikman is going to be there.

** Okay, not buying that one? What about all the effort necessary to show this kind of stuff? Do you know how hard it'd be to play it to all students? Talk about low returns. It's not like anyone else is doing it. Wait. Fort Worth ISD did that? You bastards!

Anyway, with the Bush speech, it's totally easy! All AISD has to do is bus 500 fifth-graders to and from an NFL stadium, making sure they don't get lost in locker rooms or have asthma attacks. Just as long as no one asks how it's being paid for, it'd be clear sailing!

Look, folks. AISD Superintendent Jerry McCullough said officials didn?t want didn't interfere with instruction already planned for that Tuesday (via Star-Telegram.) Do you know how much of a distraction Obama's speech could have been, if it were about what we thought it was originally going to be about (but turned out not to be about at all? SOCIALIST INDOCTRINATION?) Besides, the trip to Cowboys Stadium is going to be chock-full of educational instruction. Clear. Difference.

** Besides, it's clear that the majority of North Texas parents don't agree with having their kids indoctrinated. Five percent of parents at the Fort Worth ISD opted out. Five! (And so what if the majority of AISD students voted for the guy! They don't know what they want. AISD knows.)

(And they are totally not fascists.)

(end snark)

The compromise, summarized in this statement from the AISD, would be in allowing students to leave school to watch the speech then promptly return back to the classroom at the speech's conclusion. (So yeah, kids, if you want to watch the speech, go watch it somewhere else on your own time. Just make sure you get back here afterward. Can't drive? Can't find a ride? Too damn bad.) One of the sites opening it's doors to the students to watch the speech was the Cornerstone Baptist Church. From FW Weekly:

"He said things that we, parents, teachers, ministers, have been saying for years: Stay in school, respect your teachers, listen to your parents, take responsibility. Well, praise the Lord, it makes all the difference in the world for those words to come from the president of the United States."

The speaker was Vera McKissic, wife of Cornerstone Baptist Church minister Dwight McKissic, explaining why the church opened its doors to Arlington public school students so that they could hear Barack Obama?s speech to the nation?s schoolchildren on Tuesday, after the Arlington district opted to close its doors (and its students? eyes and ears) to the historic broadcast. "We knew we had to do something when we heard that the school was banning the speech," Vera said. (In an agreement negotiated with the pastor, the AISD gave excused passes to students who wanted to watch the speech at Cornerstone.)

So churches had to negotiate with AISD to even allow students to get excused to watch?

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Every aspect of this stinks, no matter what angle you look at it. Double standards abound. The Obama speech viewed as a distracting departure from lessons and instruction. But not a trip to Cowboys Stadium to hear George and Laura, and some former Cowboys speak about the same thing.

AISD's rationale for differing treatment due to permission slips is bull****. Eloquent? No. But sometimes you have to call things what they are. It is clear, looking at how only 5% of over 1,300 students at Fort Worth ISD, that the majority of parents and students had great interest in watching the speech. To say that this is different because AISD utilized permission slips implies that permission slips could not have been utilized in allowing students to watch the speech in class, or participate in alternative instruction.

In making seeing the Obama speech far more cumbersome for students and parents, while spending taxpayer money to bus children to see Bush you, AISD, are sending negative messages, both real and reasonably perceived, about how you believe our President should be viewed and perceived by the youth, a true demonstration of how, in the name of preventing indoctrination, a school district can omit students access to the Presidential address of a President you happen not to like.
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Follow up on this. Due to local and national attention the superintendent of Arlington schools has apologized and said teachers could show the taped speech whenever convenient and the field trip to Cowboys stadium to hear Bush et al has been canceled because of the appearance of a double standard. It does seem to be a sincere apology. The bussing of 500+ 5th graders had been scheduled earlier. Sadly, I think the superintendent just didn't connect with the "double standard" in the whole situation.

http://stadiumblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/09/arlington-isd-cancels-trip-to.html


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