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Death of Conservatism

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goodwitch58 said:
Bill Moyers Journal . Home | PBS

very interesting interview about true conservatism vs the radical voices of today...
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Bill Moyers Journal . Sam Tanenhaus | PBS


The republican party has, in some ways, become more like the democrat party in this respect - they've become a party where the extremist side now has a much louder voice, which is unfortunate. I think the silent majority of true conservatives are watching all this, scratching their heads, and wondering where this'll all end up.

"Republican", when I was younger represented the party of level headedness and embodied the nostalgic Constitutional principals seen as having made this country great. I don't see much of this anymore in the republican party today. I'm sure it's still there, it just seems to have been drowned out. A perfect example, the other day I heard John Boehner complaing about how the democrats were cutting payments to Medicare. I just had to chuckle at that - he's complaining about democrats reducing the size of an entitlement program, potentially making it something people rely less on? Does Boehner actually consider himself a conservative? Because he certainly doesn't sound like one.

The party seems to have lost sight of it's principals, or maybe the principals have changed. It's clearly not Reagan's party anymore, it's something else. I think Reagan would be appauled by some of the extremist views some "conservatives" currently promote. I just have to hope the party recovers from this, and regains it's footing, because I am finding it harder to support the party in general. Thirty years ago proclaiming myself as a republican was something to be proud of. Not so much anymore.
 
30ashopper said:
direct link -

Bill Moyers Journal . Sam Tanenhaus | PBS


The republican party has, in some ways, become more like the democrat party in this respect - they've become a party where the extremist side now has a much louder voice, which is unfortunate. I think the silent majority of true conservatives are watching all this, scratching their heads, and wondering where this'll all end up.

"Republican", when I was younger represented the party of level headedness and embodied the nostalgic Constitutional principals seen as having made this country great. I don't see much of this anymore in the republican party today. I'm sure it's still there, it just seems to have been drowned out. A perfect example, the other day I heard John Boehner complaing about how the democrats were cutting payments to Medicare. I just had to chuckle at that - he's complaining about democrats reducing the size of an entitlement program, potentially making it something people rely less on? Does Boehner actually consider himself a conservative? Because he certainly doesn't sound like one.

The party seems to have lost sight of it's principals, or maybe the principals have changed. It's clearly not Reagan's party anymore, it's something else. I think Reagan would be appauled by some of the extremist views some "conservatives" currently promote. I just have to hope the party recovers from this, and regains it's footing, because I am finding it harder to support the party in general. Thirty years ago proclaiming myself as a republican was something to be proud of. Not so much anymore.
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I think you are right. In one of my posts the other day I asked where is the next Bill Buckley...the Moyers interview talks about the void his passing has left.

When the radicals would get out of hand in the past, Buckley drew the line -- now, it's like the teacher is out of the classroom and the rowdys have taken over and the rest of the class is overwhelmed and afraid to do anything.

So many times in the last year of so, I have said to myself: I do not believe that that elected official really believes that--why is he or she saying it, or letting it be said without rebuttal...I think our whole country suffers without a strong two party system. But, we need principled men and women who will stand up for what they believe in an intelligent, civil manner.

We also need real journalists--not promoters who are willing to inflame anything just to up the ratings! And, we need more people to educate themselves about what is really going on, before they react to it.

What we are getting right now is not principled or civil or real in my opinion...but it sure is reactive!
 
goodwitch58 said:
I think you are right. In one of my posts the other day I asked where is the next Bill Buckley...the Moyers interview talks about the void his passing has left.

When the radicals would get out of hand in the past, Buckley drew the line -- now, it's like the teacher is out of the classroom and the rowdys have taken over and the rest of the class is overwhelmed and afraid to do anything.

So many times in the last year of so, I have said to myself: I do not believe that that elected official really believes that--why is he or she saying it, or letting it be said without rebuttal...I think our whole country suffers without a strong two party system. But, we need principled men and women who will stand up for what they believe in an intelligent, civil manner.

We also need real journalists--not promoters who are willing to inflame anything just to up the ratings! And, we need more people to educate themselves about what is really going on, before they react to it.

What we are getting right now is not principled or civil or real in my opinion...but it sure is reactive!
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That's the big problem right there - no leadership.
 
goodwitch58 said:
I think you are right. In one of my posts the other day I asked where is the next Bill Buckley...the Moyers interview talks about the void his passing has left.

When the radicals would get out of hand in the past, Buckley drew the line -- now, it's like the teacher is out of the classroom and the rowdys have taken over and the rest of the class is overwhelmed and afraid to do anything.

So many times in the last year of so, I have said to myself: I do not believe that that elected official really believes that--why is he or she saying it, or letting it be said without rebuttal...I think our whole country suffers without a strong two party system. But, we need principled men and women who will stand up for what they believe in an intelligent, civil manner.

We also need real journalists--not promoters who are willing to inflame anything just to up the ratings! And, we need more people to educate themselves about what is really going on, before they react to it.

What we are getting right now is not principled or civil or real in my opinion...but it sure is reactive!
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GW, I think we were thinking on the same wave length a week ago: The Independent Florida Alligator: Opinion - Republicans lack intellectual figures
 
MattChrist Live said:
The semester has been pretty nice and easy up to this weekend when the workload finally kicked in. All in all, it's great to be a Florida Gator!
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Chomp chomp! Have they asked you to be the guest picker in the Alligator-brand Picks Column? yet? Nice job on the column, btw.
 
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