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Fla. pension fund might invest in real estate

Source: News Service of Florida, Michael Peltier

TALLAHASSEE ? Sept. 3, 2009 ? Florida investment managers were urged Tuesday to look at Florida real estate opportunities as the state tries to rebuild its retirement investment fund.

Meeting for a periodic update on the state?s investment finances, Gov. Charlie Crist, as head of the State Board of Administration (SBA), told fund managers that Florida?s recent real estate bust could be a boom for the state?s pension fund. With residential and commercial markets in the doldrums, Crist said there was never time a better time to invest locally.

?What?s the saying, ?Buy low and sell high??? Crist asked SBA executive director Ash Williams at a quarterly meeting set up to review state investments.

Williams said that state asset investment has been a mixed bag historically, but he promised to return with more information when the group meets again, likely in December.

Crist comments came as state investment managers briefed the panel ? which also included Chief Financial Officer Alex Sink and Attorney General Bill McCollum ? on the state?s investment portfolio and hurricane fund.

On the retirement front, Florida?s portfolio fell 19 percent to $99.6 billion for the fiscal year ending June 30. It has since climbed to $106 billion, or nearly $16 billion more than the balance on March 31. The fund is now at 93 percent of full funding, a level of coverage that greatly surpasses most other big states. California?s pension fund is about 60 percent funded.

?The fact that we?re over 90 percent is outright extraordinary,? said Robert Gidel, a member of the state investment advisory panel.

Over the past 15 years, the pension fund has returned about 7.4 percent annually. Losses experienced in the past year, however, have wiped out much of that gain with the most recent 10-year return now about 2.3 percent. During the calendar year ending June 30, the fund fell 19 percent.

Sink, a former bank executive, said the poor performance over the past 10 years should prompt SBA officials to take a closer look at its outside fund managers. But Williams urged panelists to take a longer view, saying the unprecedented downturn of the past 12 months should not be used as a barometer of outside managers? effectiveness, reminding them that Florida?s retirement portfolio is highly rated.

?The investment discipline works, and we think it?s the right place for us to be,? Williams said.

Florida?s hurricane fund remains about $7 billion short of its $23 billion statutory obligation to cover the state in the event of a disastrous storm. The fund has seen the gap between capacity and risk close by $11 billion since Jan. 1 primarily through insurers? decision to seek private re-insurance and the Legislature?s decision to cut the state?s liability by $2 billion.

?We?re in a lot better position marketwise than what we had anticipated earlier,? said Jack Nicholson, COO of the Florida Hurricane Catastrophe Fund.

Among the state?s seemingly poor investment decisions is a paper $250 million loss in connection with a 2007 decision to buy a stake in the Peter Cooper Village and Stuyvesant Town, luxury residential property in New York City. The state still owns its interest in the 80-acre development, which it bought at the peak of the most recent real estate boom. Sink said the state may be holding the investment for quite some time.

Williams, who was not in charge when the investment was made, said proper procedures were followed when the decision was made. ?With any investment you?re going to have a buyer and seller,? Williams said. ?Each thinks they?re right.?

Given the benefit of hindsight, Williams acknowledged that red flags were apparent including the sale price and amount of borrowed money used to secure the purchase.

Source: News Service of Florida, Michael Peltier
 
- Florida's public pension fund is fortunate to welcome back Mr. Williams. You may notice that FLorida is in the top 2 or 3 (out of 50) states, in terms of pension fund's performance/ funding levels. Mr. Williams deserves part of the credit for a) a decision a couple decades old to move more into equities, and b) a key decision maker that lead a public pension fund that is the least bloated (downright frugal) in the nation.

That said, the logic behind not wanting to invest in ones own state too much is obvious enough. However, when FLA instead invests invested in NYC real estate, they stepped in deep doo doo a couple years ago. Other states provinces have had incredible track records investing in state. Look at the State of Alabama's "return on inv." on the RTJ Golf Trail - albeit self measured, it is high. Ontario Teachers various investments in Ontario, are objectively measured as off the charts.

With new leadership in place, I'm confident the new ex. dir. will find the time and place to make the move into some in-state real asset investments - My guess is his ultimate timing of that decision will turn out to be prescient and profitable , and that he'll himself chalk it up to luck.
 
As a hockey Original Six fan, it hurts my heart to see what the Ontario Teachers Fund has done to the Maple Leafs- they don't care about putting a competitive product on the ice as long as the team is a cash cow, and long experience shows that people still funnel mass quantities of loonies to the Laffs even when the team is terrible.
 
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With new leadership in place, I'm confident the new ex. dir. will find the time and place to make the move into some in-state real asset investments -

... but isn't that akin to the employees at ENRON investing their retirement in ENRON stock?

I think there will be a little too much under-the-table "nudge-nudge-wink-wink" going on with Florida RE transactions.

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As a hockey Original Six fan, it hurts my heart to see what the Ontario Teachers Fund has done to the Maple Leafs- they don't care about putting a competitive product on the ice as long as the team is a cash cow, and long experience shows that people still funnel mass quantities of loonies to the Laffs even when the team is terrible.

I feel your pain, as my dad has been a life long Leafs Fan. Unfortunately for Leafs Fans, the new ownership is shrewd enough ( perhaps owing their fiduciary responsibility to pensioneers) to recognize they don't need to put a winner on the ice, because in southern ontario, there is a surplus of demand. All they need to do, is put a passable product on the ice, and they know that, and they teachers pensions are better off for it. I think what you prefer, and I can't blame you, is a deep pockets dreamer owner, who wants to win the cup, and doesn't care about Responsibility or Return on Inv.
 

If you honestly think that then you haven't lived in Florida long enough.

I can guarantee you that some cronies will be bailed out using the pension fund. They'll just classify it as a long term investment so either everyone involved is dead, past the statute of limitations, or the property actual appreciates.
 
yes, to the third option - property bought will appreciate.

As to your first point, that's exactly why Florida's pension fund won't be first to invest, but will leave other soverign wealth funds, from China, Singapore, and other state/provincial progressive pension funds invest first. Those funds will have bigger gains as a result, but the risk with Florida going first is that you think there is the appearance of cronyism - and its a valid concern, however misplaced with Florida's nation leading pension fund.

FYI, if cash sits idle, we all become renters, in Pottersville.
 
I should add that in optimal theory, Florida's pension wold invest in Alabama's crashed beach real estate, and Alabama would invest in Florida's. That is actually how it should work, but I just think the returns will be better in South Walton, than Orange Beach, but thats my personal best guess. Pension funds almost universally allocate a portion of their portfolio to alteranative, real estate, raw land or similar investments - not a huge portion, but 2 to 10 percent of their portfolio. Both Florida and Alabamma have invested in NYC real estate, with incredibly divergent results by the way. Alabama bought low, and Florida bot high.





If you honestly think that then you haven't lived in Florida long enough.

I can guarantee you that some cronies will be bailed out using the pension fund. They'll just classify it as a long term investment so either everyone involved is dead, past the statute of limitations, or the property actual appreciates.
 
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