Leader of the Banned
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If there were a slavery flag flying over Grant's tomb, I might be concerned.
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Petition to Ban Confederate Flag from Walton County Courthouse
- Thread starter Beauford
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Yes. White supremacy was the norm then across the whole US, even in the north. That's not what we're discussing.
The flag was created as a symbol of a group with clearly-stated white supremacist ideals (see below), and flying it today at a courthouse is a constant reminder to many that some folks here still support those ideals.
Again, the founders of the confederacy meant to leave nothing for interpretation:
“Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.” - The “Corner Stone” Speech
Neither side was perfect in these times. But symbols of oppression still matter.
The least we can do is say we no longer support what this symbol stands for, and by flying it on our courthouse grounds, we're doing the opposite.
The flag was created as a symbol of a group with clearly-stated white supremacist ideals (see below), and flying it today at a courthouse is a constant reminder to many that some folks here still support those ideals.
Again, the founders of the confederacy meant to leave nothing for interpretation:
“Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.” - The “Corner Stone” Speech
Neither side was perfect in these times. But symbols of oppression still matter.
The least we can do is say we no longer support what this symbol stands for, and by flying it on our courthouse grounds, we're doing the opposite.
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Leader of the Banned
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I'd sure like to see the bizzaro universe in which the South had won, we embrace Confederate ideals, and everything is so much better.
Who said the war is over? Happy Camper is still fighting the fight.
Leader of the Banned
Beach Fanatic
He's like those Japanese guys from WWII holed up on a Pacific island in 1953.
Leader of the Banned
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seal
Beach Lover
No, I'm trying to present actual history. Sorry it conflicts with you attempted revision.
seal
Beach Lover
This is from one of the largest rallys to ever visit Washington D.C.; the KKK rally in 1925. Notice which flags they are flying and the absence of any Confederate flags. Will you start a petition to remove that flag from the courthouse?
You're starting to embarrass yourself. The only revision here is the bubble you're living in. If you want to fly the flag fly it, you are still free to do so.
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jodiFL
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THere are so many things that were/are wrong with the instance that started this (the removal of an historical item because of some maniac ) that I cant believe there are people that think the removal of the confederate flag will change anything..OMG... the confererate flag did not make this individual act the way he did....if we look back throughout history we can find MANY things that the stars and stripes flew above that are offensive....typical knee-jerk reaction from people that think hiding an item associated with a bad situation will make it all better.. when in fact dealing with the person responsible for it instead of giving them an "excuse" is the only thing that will truly make it better...