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sandestin playground=toxic waste dump?

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Here is the exhaustive guide on constructing a safe playground;if the shredded tires were dangerous, I guarantee these guys would call it...I think they go into detail on page 38.
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/325.pdf

Skunky, it may have been a great idea to use chewed up tires- in Alaska. You can see the heat rising off this playground. It is an oven in the summer, kind of like leaving your kids in the car on a hot summer day in Florida.:eek: Thankfully, it looked like parents were staying away from it yesterday. I can't imagine why Sandestin can't scoop up this stuff and re-do the surface!
 
We were over there this afternoon, and I wouldn't let my daughter play on it. Awful stuff. Seems dirty. What is wrong with light colored (and much cooler) sand? Or those nice soft solid playground surfaces?:idontno:

What ever happend to plain old dirt, for a playground base? Raven, maybe your message, if directed specifically to management at Sandestin will make them aware of some of the dangers and their risk exposure regarding their playground. I wonder if it would do any good for you to contact the SWFD (fire dept) and ask for their input on the potential fire hazard, which could also be shared with Sandestin Mgt.

I do like the idea of people trying to reuse the wasteful tires which we roll on today. I've seen prototypes of new tires, which never go flat, cannot puncture and have no sidewalls, thereby reducing the the weight and waste of excess rubber. Oh yeah, the tire is also the wheel. It is pretty cool. Maybe the reuse of old tires needs to be limited to other things like bumper guards on tugboats and docks.

I love that they are aware enough of the issue that they put up a sign........but didn't FIX the problem!
Another example of how we in America are a symptom solver and not a problem solver. The signs are probably erected to reduce liabilty.

"Well, mam, we posted a sign saying that the tires are hot. Now why did you let your kid play on the playground, knowing that the tires were hot? We warned you."

The interesting part is that IMO, they are exposing themselves to greater risk because posting the signs, informs us that Sandestin is aware of the problem, yet they still allow the playground to remain open, even though there is potential danger.

I recall a case where a thief won a bunch of money, after jumping a fence surrounding a property. The fence had many signs, warning would-be thieves of the danger of the guard dog. The thief was attacked and badly wounded by the dog, which in court, was proven to be purchased for the sole purpose of attacking thieves. The thief won based on the fact that the owner had posted the signs, basically admitting that the owner intentionally put the attack dog on the property to destroy any tresspassers. Had the owner not posted the signs, warning of the attack dog, it is likely that the thief would have walked away injured, and without substantial award from the jury because it would have been difficult to prove that the owner was aware that the dog was a vicious attack dog.
 
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Here is the exhaustive guide on constructing a safe playground;if the shredded tires were dangerous, I guarantee these guys would call it...I think they go into detail on page 38.
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/325.pdf

First of all Skunky, don't tell me you are defending a playground designed for children, who you took an oath to protect, when they are warned not to use the playground by the very folks that built it? :roll:

Why would they put up a warning sign instead of replaceing the material???

That CPSC report is from 1997 - you must be joking. Not exhaustive at all and hardly any detail. They actually say to refer to the supplier as to a guarantee of no contaminants and no steel wires present in the materials. The report only contains some shallow advantages and disadvantages of various materials without mentioning chemical composition, skin absorption, off gassing, inhalation, skin sensitivity . . .

Isn't the real issue what is actually the best choice for our children and not what some lobbyists, or representative of a State with a large tire recycling industry, tells us is safe?

I am comfortable with the CPSC telling me that it is dangerous to leave an iron on when I leave the house but that's as far as the trust factor goes.

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission is charged with protecting the public from unreasonable risks of serious injury or death from more than 15,000 types of consumer products.
How many products are available in the US? :roll:

It's time for you to stop trusting the man and think for yourself.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/06/16/1391/
Of all the people out there to head the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), the Bush administration went ahead and chose Michael Baroody, the executive vice president of the National Association of Manfacturers (NAM) ? a man whose job for the last 13 years has been to characterize almost all CPSC regulations as needless meddling by cantankerous, fear-mongering bureaucrats.

Candidate for Safety Agency Withdraws Amid Criticism
 
Skunky, it may have been a great idea to use chewed up tires- in Alaska. You can see the heat rising off this playground. It is an oven in the summer, kind of like leaving your kids in the car on a hot summer day in Florida.:eek: Thankfully, it looked like parents were staying away from it yesterday. I can't imagine why Sandestin can't scoop up this stuff and re-do the surface!

Field trip! The only time I have seen this stuff with my two eyes is in the Superdome where they use it in lieu of Astroturf. If it sucks up heat, it sounds like a boneheaded surface choice. Smiley J asked about dirt;well, that seems dirty ;-) . You also have to be careful about play sand-I read in my pediatric environmental health text that you should only buy sand that is scooped up from somewhere, not pulverized rock as the pulverized stuff can contain asbestos:eek:
 
What is wrong with kids playing in dirt? I thought that was the nature of kids and playgrounds. If you are sweaty and dirty, you didn't play hard enough. ;-) Are we too sanitized in America today?
Yes. And lawsuit-happy as well, driving the need to develop soft playground surfaces.:(
 
Butler Elem. had the same tire mulch in its playground AND it also does not have any shade. It is horrible stuff, especially because the kids have no other option during recess but to play on the playground. It is very hot and makes the kids very dirty. Teachers and kids hate it.
 
Perhaps the only people desinging these playgrounds and selecting the materials used, need to be required to actually play on them.
 
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