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From today's USA Today:

Latest poll shows growing support for Iraq war policy

USA TODAY's Susan Page reports that President Bush is making some headway in arguing that the increase in U.S. troops in Iraq is showing military progress.

In the latest USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, taken Friday through Sunday, the proportion of those who said the additional troops are "making the situation better" rose to 31% from 22% a month ago. Those who said it was "not making much difference" dropped to 41% from 51%.

About the same number said it was making things worse: 24% now, 25% a month ago.

The number of those who favor removing virtually all U.S. troops from Iraq by next April 1 has dropped a bit, though two-thirds of those surveyed still support the idea.

In the July survey, a record high of 62% had called the invasion of Iraq "a mistake." That view is now held by 57%, roughly where it's been for more than a year.

The telephone poll of 1,012 adults has a margin of error of +/- 3 percentage points.

Watch for more results from the poll tomorrow.
 
Ah well you got me there.

I really can?t cut and paste 17 years of living abroad including 8 years spent in the Mid-East and visits to 6 or so Arab countries very effectively onto SoWal.com. So I guess my opinion on foreign policy issues is really not very credible.

Glad we have a cut and paste expert here who can lead us down the right path. Keep up the good work.

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Chickpea, sorry about the late reply, but I have been out of town and didn't see your post until today. I agree with what you posted with this caveat. If who you support will do the country more harm than good, everything within one's power and the law should be done to see that person is not elected to a position of responsibility. I know people think the election of George W. Bush falls within this category. I also know from my travels around the world and two tours in Viet Nam this is not necessarily the case. To sum up, we all must be be very vigilant in who we put in a leadership role next time, both in Congress and the White House or for all of us who have worked a lifetime to establish a comfortable lifestyle, the house may come tumbling down.
 
Chickpea, sorry about the late reply, but I have been out of town and didn't see your post until today. I agree with what you posted with this caveat. If who you support will do the country more harm than good, everything within one's power and the law should be done to see that person is not elected to a position of responsibility. I know people think the election of George W. Bush falls within this category. I also know from my travels around the world and two tours in Viet Nam this is not necessarily the case. To sum up, we all must be be very vigilant in who we put in a leadership role next time, both in Congress and the White House or for all of us who have worked a lifetime to establish a comfortable lifestyle, the house may come tumbling down.
Well stated!
 
From today's USA Today:

Latest poll shows growing support for Iraq war policy

USA TODAY's Susan Page reports that President Bush is making some headway in arguing that the increase in U.S. troops in Iraq is showing military progress.

In the latest USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, taken Friday through Sunday, the proportion of those who said the additional troops are "making the situation better" rose to 31% from 22% a month ago. Those who said it was "not making much difference" dropped to 41% from 51%.

About the same number said it was making things worse: 24% now, 25% a month ago.

The number of those who favor removing virtually all U.S. troops from Iraq by next April 1 has dropped a bit, though two-thirds of those surveyed still support the idea.

In the July survey, a record high of 62% had called the invasion of Iraq "a mistake." That view is now held by 57%, roughly where it's been for more than a year.

The telephone poll of 1,012 adults has a margin of error of +/- 3 percentage points.

Watch for more results from the poll tomorrow.
How about posing the question of saving 3500 GI's lives and half a trillion dollars to take out Hussein. Oh yeah, we don't ask questions that way for the "polls".
 
Internet Diplomat Uncle Timmy,
Unless you can lay out a scenario under which your plan will get us to a stable Iraq faster and better than our military leaders plan, then I suggest you reconsider your support for the surge.


Surging
It?s getting harder to deny that General Petraeus is making progress.

By Clifford D. May


?The only thing this surge will accomplish is a surge of more death and destruction.? That was the prediction of blogger and antiwar activist Arianna Huffington back in December of last year ? one month before the Senate unanimously confirmed Gen. David Petraeus as commander in Iraq.

"I believe ... that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything.? That was the judgment of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in April ? two months before the reinforcements General Petraeus needed to fully implement his new ?surge? strategy had arrived in Iraq.

In mid-June, just as troop strength was reaching the level needed to carry out the revised mission, Senator Reid added: ?As many had foreseen, the escalation has failed to produce the intended results."

But now those intended results are being seen ? as even some critics of the war, to their credit, are acknowledging. ?More American troops have brought more peace to more parts of Iraq. I think that?s a fact,? Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill) told reporters.

?My sense is that the tactical momentum is there with the troops,? Sen. Jack Reed (D., R.I.) said to PBS?s Charlie Rose.

The debate over the war in Iraq is shifting, though more slowly than is the war in Iraq, thanks to a well-funded and determined anti-war movement and too many in the media for whom good news is no news.

A few days ago, CNN?s Kyra Phillips interviewed Lt. General Raymond Odierno, General Petraeus?s top deputy. She might have asked whether his troops now have both the will and a way to defeat al Qaeda suicide-bombers and Iranian-backed death squads. Instead, her inquiring mind wanted to know: ?Do you think that this job that you've taken on could be career suicide??

Because of scant media interest, most Americans don?t even realize that the so-called surge is a new and different strategy, implemented by General Petraeus because the approach of his predecessors ? not least former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfield ? failed.

Rumsfeld wanted a ?light footprint? in Iraq, not an intrusive military occupation. He thought more troops would mean more targets for our enemies. He pushed hard for Iraqis to provide their own security as quickly as possible.

Under the Rumsfeld strategy, most American forces spent most of their time in Forward Operating Bases (FOBs). Cut off from the local population, they received little intelligence. And since they were providing security for themselves but not for Iraqis, Iraqis turned to sectarian militias which grew larger, stronger, and more violent.

Meanwhile, al Qaeda in Iraq deployed suicide-bombers to mass-murder civilians as a way to stoke sectarian violence. Al Qaeda calculated ? not unreasonably ? that Americans would withdraw rather than remain in the crossfire of a civil war.

General Petraeus, the Army?s top counterinsurgency expert, decided it was time for a different approach. He moved troops out of the FOBs and put them into Iraqi cities and villages where they have been providing security for Iraqis ? who have shown their appreciation by providing intelligence that spy satellites can?t retrieve.

He is targeting al Qaeda, as well as the Shia militias trained, funded and equipped by Tehran ? their cells, strongholds, and bomb factories. And with added troop strength, he has been able to hold the neighborhoods he has cleared.

It also is true that most traditional Iraqi leaders have been repelled by al Qaeda?s brutality and extremism. Americans, by contrast, have shown the local sheiks respect, while training and partnering with Iraqis ? making it clear they would like nothing better than to see Iraqis take charge of their own security as soon as they are ready.

On top of all that, U.S. soldiers have been doubling as diplomats: helping to reconcile Sunni and Shia tribal groups, and even bringing insurgents ? those not affiliated with al Qaeda or Tehran ? into line with the Iraqi government.

This week, General Odierno launched ?Operation Phantom Strike,? a new offensive that aims to pursue the al Qaeda terrorists and Iranian-backed militias displaced from their safe havens by this summer?s earlier actions: Operation Phantom Thunder, and Operation Fard al-Qanoon (the Baghdad Security Plan).

Operation Phantom Strike, if it is successful, will mean more ?death and destruction? ? mostly for America?s sworn enemies. No doubt, the anti-war crowd will both oppose that and pronounce it a failure even before it?s fully underway. But other Americans ? if they learn what is really happening in Iraq ? will support the troops. Most will favor giving them the time and resources they need to complete their mission.

? Clifford D. May, a former New York Times foreign correspondent, is the president of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a policy institute focusing on terrorism.
 
The impending spin is that Bush is breaking out his crayons to write the surge progress report the military will deliver to Congress, ergo, it will be more lies.:lol:
 
Internet Diplomat Uncle Timmy,
Unless you can lay out a scenario under which your plan will get us to a stable Iraq faster and better than our military leaders plan, then I suggest you reconsider your support for the surge.


Surging
It?s getting harder to deny that General Petraeus is making progress.

By Clifford D. May

? Clifford D. May, a former New York Times foreign correspondent, is the president of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a policy institute focusing on terrorism.

Gee, nice propaganda piece by Clifford D. May. A neoconservative icon and President of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. (FDD)

Bush's FDD speech highlighted not only the new prominence of the FDD, but also of Clifford May. May, who introduced the president, framed the administration's war on terrorism in Cold War terms and also incorporated the FDD's democracy vs. terrorism theme in his opening remarks: ?From the moment he stood on the rubble of the World Trade Center, President Bush has demonstrated that he understands the nature of the threat facing our country and the entire Free World,? said May. ?We stand behind the president in his commitment, his determination to defend freedom and defeat the enemies of democratic societies.?

And clearly, the neo-cons have such a great perspective on reality I?m glad to see you are framing your opinions based on their writings??????(Uncle Timmy says sarcastically)



The Surge is intended to be the military component of a political, economic, and military effort to stabilize Iraq.

It is a counterinsurgency doctrine to shore up the Maliki government of Iraq militarily, politically, and economically.
The inherent problem here is that the Maliki government is so weak and ineffective that there isn?t any real government to shore up. No government = no insurgency.

What we are seeing in Iraq now is the opening stages of a Civil War.

And ironically, a counterinsurgency doctrine is exactly what you don?t want to do in a Civil War. It just arms one side in the approaching conflict thereby adding gasoline to the fire.

A military, economic, and political Surge several times larger than the one we are seeing now and 2 years earlier may have succeeded, but the current strategy is too little, too late.

Time to look at Plan B ?Contain the looming Civil War by reinstating the former ruling Baath party, they know how to stabilize and run the country because they did it for years; and pay then off to the tune of about 5-8 billion dollars a year so they will adhere to American foreign policy interests- like we do with the Egyptian Gov?t. ?(A brief summary of Plan B, obviously.) Messy, but better than all out Civil war.

Again, I am making this assessment in contrast to the current flurry of good news about the Surge.

The Surge isn?t going to stabilize Iraq in the long term. ? Uncle Timmy. There I said it and now we can wait and see who is right.

Don?t worry, 6thGen, your smackdown on this topic is coming. Glad to see you still have some fight left in you after the beating you took in the ?What makes a Terrorist? thread. Hoping to get a little revenge here were you?
 
6thGen, Who are we fighting in Iraq. Sunnis, Shiites, terrorists, angry Arabs on vacation????? Who is siding with us? When the sun goes down in Baghdad, is there a safe place to sleep? Here's the endgame of a war with no resolution:
 
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