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[NoHall]

At least you get to have a college education, and after you're finished, then what are you going to do? Dig ditches? I've met many in SoWal that have college degrees and can't get a job in their field here, and end up framing houses, or going back to where ever they came from.

Maybe I wasn't clear. I finished my undergrad a long time ago. I dig ditches now. Your comments smack of snobbery. I don't understand how you think you're helping people with your attitude.

Got your attention though, didn't it?

Like I tell the middle school kids who wear skanky clothes, maybe you should think about what sort of attention you really want. You can get my attention and lose my respect all in one fell swoop.

 

[florida girl]

Maybe I wasn't clear. I finished my undergrad a long time ago. I dig ditches now. Your comments smack of snobbery. I don't understand how you think you're helping people with your attitude.



Like I tell the middle school kids who wear skanky clothes, maybe you should think about what sort of attention you really want. You can get my attention and lose my respect all in one fell swoop.

Where do you live? I'm not saying anything that isn't common knowledge among the many that have to travel 331 to work! Maybe you haven't noticed? Or perhaps you choose not to listen? Or perhaps all you know of SoWal is this forum? This is a Walton County problem I'm talking about. If I'm able to raise discussion about it, so be it. It is completely irrelevant what you think about my attitude. There is a problem, and I'm bringing it up. This problem has been going on for years. It needs to be changed. As I said, I happen to love to build stuff, but I know that not everyone has the same talent. I also know that there are people who are really struggling that need a break, some kind of chance to get ahead. What I find so difficult to understand, is the resistance to that option. There will always be service related jobs. In fact, as a nation, just how many of US jobs have been outsourced? What are we? Servants to the world? I think we need to make something, build something, do something of value to rise above what the rest of the world is doing.

 

[NoHall]

Rise above? Are you freakin' kidding me? We are the most spoiled, privileged, snotty, selfish bunch of batturds on the planet.--Run down to Peru sometime and say hello to the little boys on the street who sniff glue to numb their pain. Do it before the police round them up in the spring and shoot them in the desert, though. Then talk to me about how we are servants to the world.

Pray tell--how did you come by all your privilege and loftiness? And what are you doing to benefit your neighbor who needs a break (and who also irritates you by being in a service industry?)

 

[florida girl]

Rise above? Are you freakin' kidding me? We are the most spoiled, privileged, snotty, selfish bunch of batturds on the planet.--Run down to Peru sometime and say hello to the little boys on the street who sniff glue to numb their pain. Do it before the police round them up in the spring and shoot them in the desert, though. Then talk to me about how we are servants to the world.

Pray tell--how did you come by all your privilege and loftiness? And what are you doing to benefit your neighbor who needs a break (and who also irritates you by being in a service industry?)

Are you actually an American? And you live where? Georgia? The one in the US? Maybe you're spoiled, etc. and speak for yourself? All my priviledge? I thought that was Watercolor? I've worked the service industry in some part my whole working life! Are you sure you live on this planet? Gee, even having rentals is service related! So, how many jobs in the US are outsourced?

 

[florida girl]

Why is it so difficult to understand that tourism shouldn't be our only job option?

 

[NoHall]

Are you actually an American? And you live where? Georgia? The one in the US? Maybe you're spoiled, etc. and speak for yourself? All my priviledge? I thought that was Watercolor? I've worked the service industry in some part my whole working life! Are you sure you live on this planet? Gee, even having rentals is service related! So, how many jobs in the US are outsourced?

No. I don't live on this planet, but we get really great internet service on Saturn, which is one planet closer to the sun than the one I think you're from.

Yes, I'm spoiled compared to much of the world. I've never hurt for food or shelter, healthcare, or the opportunity to get a basic education. All of these things come standard for most Americans. Do you have a point?

I give up. How many are outsourced? This seems to be the new bee in your bonnet, so please tell the group exactly how many are outsourced and what you specifically plan to do about it.

But tell it to the others. I've had enough crazy for one night.

 

[florida girl]

No. I don't live on this planet, but we get really great internet service on Saturn, which is one planet closer to the sun than the one I think you're from.

Yes, I'm spoiled compared to much of the world. I've never hurt for food or shelter, healthcare, or the opportunity to get a basic education. All of these things come standard for most Americans. Do you have a point?

I give up. How many are outsourced? This seems to be the new bee in your bonnet, so please tell the group exactly how many are outsourced and what you specifically plan to do about it.

But tell it to the others. I've had enough crazy for one night.

Your'e kidding, right? Ever called for Dell or HP service?
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.02/india_pr.html
"I cite the usual statistics: 1 in 10 US technology jobs will go overseas by the end of 2004, according to the research firm Gartner. In the next 15 years, more than 3 million US white-collar jobs, representing $136 billion in wages, will depart to places like India, with the IT industry leading the migration, according to Forrester Research. I relate stories of American programmers collecting unemployment, declaring bankruptcy, even contemplating suicide - because they can't compete with people willing to work for one-sixth of their wages."
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12813
"outsourcing, which is expected to move 3.4 million U.S. service-sector jobs overseas by 2015, according to the consultancy Forrester. Most of the work comes to India, where young, low-cost employees now handle a range of American tasks -- they draw cartoons, interpret heart scans, adjudicate insurance claims, reserve flights and chase debtors."

That's just a few. They are happy to make the money at far less than we would make. Probably because they are able to live with that money. Here is another story. Cost of housing, food, and fuel are 3 big problems that just mean the value of our dollar is practically worthless. Until business steps up to the plate and adjusts these problems by actually caring about their own neighbors, ie family, things will probably get worse before they get better.
I know many that have "hurt for food" or a place to sleep, much less healthcare! Standard for most Americans? Really? Have you actually checked that info? From what I see locally, many are being pushed into homeless situations particularly with the mortgage meltdown/recession. Things need to change and soon. For some, if they get arrested, at least they get a place to sleep, food, and healthcare! Maybe you should get out more! Call labor finders, most of them are homeless! Everything they own is in a bag they carry around! Next time you go to the gas station, ask them where they live, and who they support at home! That is if they speak English! How many of our local people have elderly family members living on Social Security alone, and children they are trying to take care of!

 

[Allifunn]

floridagirl, I suggest you get your facts straight before you talk about "real jobs". Ask Sassysue, who is in HS, training to be an FBI agent and takes college courses. My duaghters friend is in SWHS and takes college courses that are not service related courses. If a person is "talented" enough to make something of themselves in Walton County then the opportunity is there. In walton county there is the need for service related workers. If those individuals feel compelled to perform those jobs, then who are you to condecend to them? Have you asked each and every one of them if they would prefer to do something else? Perhaps they are happy living in a place where they can be CONTENT doing a "menial" job! Most of us consider Walton County to be paradise and would gladly give up our "high paying" jobs just to live there and work somewhere that would give us the freedom to ENJOY living in paradise! I would have NO PROBLEM cleaning houses for a living, it offers flexability, low overhead, and pretty good PAY! Restaurants offer a good enviorment for employees. Their fate is in their own hands (a pleasant waiter or waitress can make a boatload of money in tips) plus it allows the individual to experience different people, attitudes and ideas. Most restaurant jobs are but a stepping stone for most people, and are not a bad way to learn socialization and time management skills.
Opportunitites are out there...it is up to an individual to obtain them. I have seen no "down trodden" people in my many visits to SoWal. Most of the people that are the construction workers & service laborers are doing so BECAUSE they choose to do so, not because they have no other skills! Most of them, I would bet you, are in Walton County because they want to be there!
I just don't understand where you are comming from, Floridagirl
Go anywhere in the country and solve their unemployment problems by telling every un-employed person that they have to go learn a skill in order to obtain a "real job" I am sure they would be happy to come to paradise and work as a bus boy just to have a job....ANY job! As for housing, as I was looking at homes this summer, I saw many rental homes that house quite a few individuals ...home sharing seems to be the way most of the "unreal job" workers afford to live in SoWal. All the homes were pretty nice and in decent areas.

 

[SHELLY]

Most of us consider Walton County to be paradise and would gladly give up our "high paying" jobs just to live there and work somewhere that would give us the freedom to ENJOY living in paradise! I would have NO PROBLEM cleaning houses for a living, it offers flexability, low overhead, and pretty good PAY!

.....and so they're not here....why??



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[elgordoboy]

Are you actually an American? And you live where? Georgia? The one in the US? Maybe you're spoiled, etc. and speak for yourself? All my priviledge? I thought that was Watercolor? I've worked the service industry in some part my whole working life! Are you sure you live on this planet? Gee, even having rentals is service related! So, how many jobs in the US are outsourced?

Ho hum. If a job is outsourced learn a new skill. Productivity is the bottom line. I first saw the following in The Economist.

The make-work bias is best illustrated by a story, perhaps apocryphal, of an economist who visits China under Mao Zedong. He sees hundreds of workers building a dam with shovels. He asks: ?Why don't they use a mechanical digger?? ?That would put people out of work,? replies the foreman. ?Oh,? says the economist, ?I thought you were making a dam. If it's jobs you want, take away their shovels and give them spoons.? For an individual, the make-work bias makes some sense. He prospers if he has a job, and may lose his health insurance if he is laid off. For the nation as a whole, however, what matters is not whether people have jobs, but how they do them. The more people produce, the greater the general prosperity. It helps, therefore, if people shift from less productive occupations to more productive ones. Economists, recalling that before the industrial revolution 95% of Americans were farmers, worry far less about downsizing than ordinary people do. Politicians, however, follow the lead of ordinary people. Hence, to take a more frivolous example, Oregon's ban on self-service petrol stations.









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