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Auctions - Where's the Innovation?

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We'll just keep an eye on these Pirates Bay units and see if they close.

Do you know how Auction Companies qualify phone bidders?

A home inspector told me the other day that he has seen auctions won by a party who was granted a home inspection provision which let the Buyer walk pending inspection results. This seems real out of line with the Auction process theory. What do you know?
 
Do you know how Auction Companies qualify phone bidders?

No.

And I've seen the phone bidder win when someone was about to get a great deal.

That is why it is a simple process to just watch to see if these units from the phone bidder close.

Roebuck listed 5 active Pirates Bay:
http://ecarmls.com/EmeraldReports/listings.asp?ID=4915451853

The auction site states that they will (should) close within 30 days. Let's see if they do.

Poppy, since you knew the owners do you know which 3 of the 5 were sold to the phone bidder?
 
No.

And I've seen the phone bidder win when someone was about to get a great deal.

That is why it is a simple process to just watch to see if these units from the phone bidder close.

Roebuck listed 5 active Pirates Bay:
http://ecarmls.com/EmeraldReports/listings.asp?ID=4915451853

The auction site states that they will (should) close within 30 days. Let's see if they do.

Poppy, since you knew the owners do you know which 3 of the 5 were sold to the phone bidder?


Seems like having phone bidders is an excellent way to have an unannounced reserve.
 
Poppy, since you knew the owners do you know which 3 of the 5 were sold to the phone bidder?


I don't know the sellers, I met them briefly outside the contract room.

As far as phone bidders go, I know a lot of people don't like the competition, especially if you can't see them. If you watch auctions on the tube you will always see phone bidders.

I not sure waiting for the closing is a fair way to judge the bidding. A house I purchased years ago had three contracts that failed, I didn't suspect foul play. I don't have any data but I would guess buyers try to back out all the time and there is a 3 day recision on condos anyway.

It seems as if some of you on this thread aren't very trusting of auctions. Is it from personal experience, rumors, or what? Maybe auctions just aren't for you.
 
I don't know the sellers, I met them briefly outside the contract room.

As far as phone bidders go, I know a lot of people don't like the competition, especially if you can't see them. If you watch auctions on the tube you will always see phone bidders.

I not sure waiting for the closing is a fair way to judge the bidding. A house I purchased years ago had three contracts that failed, I didn't suspect foul play. I don't have any data but I would guess buyers try to back out all the time and there is a 3 day recision on condos anyway.

It seems as if some of you on this thread aren't very trusting of auctions. Is it from personal experience, rumors, or what? Maybe auctions just aren't for you.

I love the concept of auction. I can't understand how an auction would work with the bi-furcation of a recission clause. Do they re-invite everyone back out and start where they left off in the bidding when someone elects not to purchase? It seems the recission period or other inspection option kick out period should be the days prior to the auction.

Exactly how do you reassemble the bidders and recapture the momentum after the "winner" negates their winning bid?
 
...I would guess buyers try to back out all the time and there is a 3 day recision on condos anyway.

It seems as if some of you on this thread aren't very trusting of auctions. Is it from personal experience, rumors, or what? Maybe auctions just aren't for you.
I'll have to research the specifics on the recision period on condos to see if that includes auctions. This is the first time I've seen that brought forth with auctions.

I've been to auctions which appeared to be legit and professional, and I've been to auctions, including local ones, where I heard blatant lies from the auctioneers' handlers, during the auction, to try and increase bids. I also have a problem with companies which advertise auctions as Absolute, when they are not absolute when they get to the auction floor, IF they get to the auction floor. I think they are falsely advertising when that happens. I'd like to see some ethics and morals from ALL of the auction companies, not just one or two companies, here and there. I'd also like to see some commitment from the sellers who sign up to have their property auctioned as absolute. (I have other issues with many auction companies advertisements, but I won't go into those now.
 
Exactly how do you reassemble the bidders and recapture the momentum after the "winner" negates their winning bid?
Simply stated, you don't. Although if the auction company is ran by half-way hungry people, they will take a second and third back up contract from the other bidders, but in most cases that I have seen lately, if the winning bid doesn't close the deal, the lender sure as heck isn't going to approve the second place bid.
 
Simply stated, you don't. Although if the auction company is ran by half-way hungry people, they will take a second and third back up contract from the other bidders, but in most cases that I have seen lately, if the winning bid doesn't close the deal, the lender sure as heck isn't going to approve the second place bid.

This exchange got me thinking about an auction thread from the beginning of the year.

In that thread I asked some questions about an auction that took place in Sarasota where the auction house reported it set a record price of $14 Million (for a $20 Million estate).

[ame="http://sowal.com/bb/showpost.php?p=339225&postcount=25"]SoWal Beaches Forum - View Single Post - Sotheby's Auction[/ame]

Poster "Sea Sotheby" was very professional and actually took time to answer my question:

[ame="http://sowal.com/bb/showpost.php?p=339843&postcount=28"]SoWal Beaches Forum - View Single Post - Sotheby's Auction[/ame]

I googled it to see how things were going and came up with this article written April '08:
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SARASOTA - Wolf Arbin Weinhold believes his father killed his mother. His brother believes it, too.

Weinhold, a maybe-wealthy 54-year-old Sarasotan, says that in 1991 his late father fed crushed sleeping pills to his cancer-stricken mother, then put a plastic bag over her head until she stopped breathing. His brother, Karl Wilms "Kip" Weinhold, says his father told him the story soon after his mother's death. But Kip still is not sure whether it was a mercy killing or murder.

"I just don't know," he said.

Five months ago, Wolf Weinhold made a very big splash, offering $14.1 million for the Sugar Bay estate on Casey Key -- the flagship property in Sarasota's biggest and glitziest real estate auction ever. Weinhold's deposit checks bounced, and half the property has since sold to another buyer.

Weinhold, the auctioneers, the auction's sponsor and the property's owner are now entangled in messy arbitration over the main parcel, and the Sarasota real estate community is bickering over how it all happened and who is to blame.

Wolf Weinhold says his bid for Sugar Bay was legitimate.

"I would not blow my brains out by doing something foolish like that," he said.

He intended to buy the property as a business venture, he said, explaining that he had extensive contacts from his Harvard and MIT days with those running certain sovereign wealth funds on behalf of governments around the world. He said it is not uncommon for a wealthy individual to want to buy property through an intermediary to stay below the radar.

"Over the years I've looked for property for myself, but also for friends and clients," Weinhold said. "I've put deals together like this before."

Kip Weinhold said that it is possible his brother intended to buy the Petrik estate on behalf of someone he had met during his Boston years. But Kip Weinhold said he thought it more likely that his brother had acted on impulse.

"When my brother called and told me about it, I got sick to my stomach," said Kip Weinhold, who received a call from his brother in February. "If he had told me beforehand that he was going to bid on some property, I would have locked him in a little room."

Wolf Weinhold now says that the best possible outcome would be for him to get out of the Sugar Bay deal.

"If the arbitration rules against me, the judgment will be paid and the property will be bought," Weinhold said. "If it goes the other way, I'll get all my costs and expenses back."

But Kip Weinhold worries that his brother could face criminal charges for writing a bad check.
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080427/REALESTATE/804270560/2055
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Oh, and by the way...the house is still up for sale:

http://fl.skysothebysrealty.com/sarasota/388906/

Funny things, these auctions.



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I love the concept of auction. I can't understand how an auction would work with the bi-furcation of a recission clause. Do they re-invite everyone back out and start where they left off in the bidding when someone elects not to purchase? It seems the recission period or other inspection option kick out period should be the days prior to the auction.

Exactly how do you reassemble the bidders and recapture the momentum after the "winner" negates their winning bid?

The rescission period does apply to real estate auctions. It would be nice if we could invite everyone back out to re-auction in these cases, but that is just not practical. What we do is record all the back-up bids. While a back-up bidder is not obligated to buy, they are usually still interested. We actually had a unit last month at The Sanctuary at Redfish that was rescinded and we sold it to the back-up bidder who also rescinded. We finally sold and closed it to the third back-up bidder. While this is not the norm, it illustrates the importance of recording all the back-up bids especially for condos.
 
The rescission period does apply to real estate auctions. It would be nice if we could invite everyone back out to re-auction in these cases, but that is just not practical. What we do is record all the back-up bids. While a back-up bidder is not obligated to buy, they are usually still interested. We actually had a unit last month at The Sanctuary at Redfish that was rescinded and we sold it to the back-up bidder who also rescinded. We finally sold and closed it to the third back-up bidder. While this is not the norm, it illustrates the importance of recording all the back-up bids especially for condos.

Was the third guy in the daisy chain smart enough to have on offer a lower bid?



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