What are our county leaders doing for us.

[30ashopper]

I thought you were against additional spending by our government? Is that unless it benefits you directly?

Government spending that expands industry and produces private sector growth is good long term investment. I have very very very little faith in "big government"'s ability to accomplish this, there are few examples. (There are some, Eisenhower's interstate highway system for example.) Overall I believe in balanced budgets, and prefer government spending to be weighted more toward the local level where we have more control over it. I have no faith in Washington, I do not trust they will spend our money wisely. I do have more faith in our local representatives however, they actually have citizens they must answer to on a regular basis. They are easy to remove if they make mistakes. They listen to us, and are not beholden to special interests, for the most part. If they are, it's easy to see and can be dealt with. The power of government is given by the people... at the federal level that balance no longer exists. At the local level I believe this still holds true.

 

[Matt J]

Government spending that expands industry and produces private sector growth is good long term investment. I have very very very little faith in "big government"'s ability to accomplish this, there are few examples. (There are some, Eisenhower's interstate highway system for example.) Overall I believe in balanced budgets, and prefer government spending to be weighted more toward the local level where we have more control over it. I have no faith in Washington, I do not trust they will spend our money wisely. I do have more faith in our local representatives however, they actually have citizens they must answer to on a regular basis. They are easy to remove if they make mistakes. They listen to us, and are not beholden to special interests, for the most part. If they are, it's easy to see and can be dealt with. The power of government is given by the people... at the federal level that balance no longer exists. At the local level I believe this still holds true.

Damn those forum rules that don't allow cross posting. I believe there is another thread that you are saying government spending to expand industry is bad. Oh well.

 

[florida girl]

Once again you assume the waiters and waitresses are doing jobs they don't really want to. I have many friends that do this as a full time job and enjoy what they do. They also make a very good living at it.



I'm fairly certain that most residents in Point Washington would be against a port in their back yard.



Let's see you've got the DEP issues in building a port they'll deny it until doomsday because of Port Panama City and Port St. Joe. In addition those two ports I listed will lobby against it.

The only reason I mentioned Point Washington is because that was our port. They brought in supplies and visitors. You can still see some of the posts in the water, all that remains of the board walk creating acess to those ships. The bayou has access to the intercoastal directly, and all the bayou would need is to be dredged.
Once again, you are not considering all the "waiters and waitresses"! Those who have gotten older, and/or developed physical limitations and cannot perform those duties anylonger, and those who don't care to participate in the alcohol related activites.

 

[30ashopper]

Damn those forum rules that don't allow cross posting. I believe there is another thread that you are saying government spending to expand industry is bad. Oh well.

You've obviously confused local government spending to promote growth with big government pork that earns votes. I'll cut you some slack, this time.

 

[Matt J]

The only reason I mentioned Point Washington is because that was our port. They brought in supplies and visitors. You can still see some of the posts in the water, all that remains of the board walk creating acess to those ships. The bayou has access to the intercoastal directly, and all the bayou would need is to be dredged.
Once again, you are not considering all the "waiters and waitresses"! Those who have gotten older, and/or developed physical limitations and cannot perform those duties anylonger, and those who don't care to participate in the alcohol related activites.

So now that they've gotten older they can switch from carrying plates and glasses to becoming longshoremen? Lady you are certifiable.

Further I have seen the posts and former "port". Now I ask you have you ever been to a modern functioning port? There is no way you are going to turn a ferry stop into some sort of economic power house.

 

[Matt J]

You've obviously confused local government spending to promote growth with big government pork that earns votes. I'll cut you some slack, this time.

Considering the shaky, at best, leg that the county is on, the idea of building a port :roll: would need federal dollars. ;-)

 

[florida girl]

So now that they've gotten older they can switch from carrying plates and glasses to becoming longshoremen? Lady you are certifiable.

Further I have seen the posts and former "port". Now I ask you have you ever been to a modern functioning port? There is no way you are going to turn a ferry stop into some sort of economic power house.

Who said anything about longshoreman? What, that's the only job available in the export business?
I'm a firm believer concerning start with what you have, and gradually increase. Who said we needed a huge port of that magnitude? Keep it simple! First, we need to figure out a product! That would determine what would be necessary to transport it! Something about getting the cart before the horse!
Surely there are individuals with means here that can provide backing in such a project, along with the brains to pull it off! Put your money where you mouth is! See the need, and do something about it! Keep it simple particularly in the beginning!

 

[Matt J]

Who said anything about longshoreman? What, that's the only job available in the export business?
I'm a firm believer concerning start with what you have, and gradually increase. Who said we needed a huge port of that magnitude? Keep it simple! First, we need to figure out a product! That would determine what would be necessary to transport it! Something about getting the cart before the horse!
Surely there are individuals with means here that can provide backing in such a project, along with the brains to pull it off! Put your money where you mouth is! See the need, and do something about it! Keep it simple particularly in the beginning!

Clearly you're not grasping the concept of shipping. When you are talking about shipping the cost of shipping said item via truck from let's say Freeport is incredibly small whether it's going to Point Washington or Port PC. Forget the port idea and focus on a viable business.

 

[30ashopper]

Considering the shaky, at best, leg that the county is on, the idea of building a port :roll: would need federal dollars. ;-)

Come on man. If a port here was financially viable, the private businesses that would profit from it would would have already built it. The feds are notorious for building infrastructure we do not need. We already have an "airport ot nowhere", do we really want a "port to nowhere" too?

 

[Creeklover]

The Freeport port was turned into a City park. Even though you can off load stouff there they do not like it. It looks to nice. The access also is in very bad shape. The Ship Yard and Fuel Depot can only get smaller ships in and out. They get stuck alot and you can hear the tugs having a time getting in there with a load.