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The first journalist busted Obama straight away.

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And seriously 30Ashopaholic, if that is your tact.....discredit by humiliation of the opponent, you should really re-examine why you post on here. Maybe this is a club and I don't belong. If so, fine. This place sucks then. You do as well. If not, quit with your crap.

Read that back once and ask yourself why I give your posts little respect amp? I feel you have the uncanny ability to chime in in the middle of interesting and intelligent threads with nothing more than pointless diatribe, and you do it in a way that ruffles peoples feathers through cheap insults and innuendo. I would welcome you and your discussion if you would simply calm down, post smart feedback instead of rhetoric, and back up what you have to say with something, anything that people can grab a hold of and understand.

I've ignored your posts since the last time we bumped heads... clearly engaging you with my little insult this time around was a mistake. My apologies, I'll refrain in the future.

Nothing to see here folks, move along.
 
I'm following the link, and I'm still seeing the orange line labeled as Dec 2007. He doesn't define peak employment in his text, but I don't think peak was January of 2008, and the graph is plotted only 12 months out. Am I missing something?

This recession started Dec. 2007, the orange line leads out 13 months. His definition of peak employment is -

Let me be very clear about the methodology behind these charts. I am calculating the cumulative net job losses during all post-war recessions as a percentage of peak employment near the start of the recession. In some cases, employment dipped slightly and rose again before taking a larger downturn. In those cases, I considered the peak to be the month before the larger downturn.
 
Well, I like them all. Every President flub a speech or many.....for some, it is common behaviour to mimick and others, it isn't.....double standard? To state that this situation is 'permanent' or 'irreversible' is not something I like hearing from our great leader......he corrected, but he stated it and the journalist asked him a question about it. It was a legitimate dialogue, that's all. I do believe as one post stated that we are in this mess due to our reaction to 9.11.2001. I believe if we take the same action now in the stimulus bill, the ramifications will be worse down the road.

Horse trading was comic relief from the respect that if you leave it to free markets, we will indeed weed out the weak and the strong will turn the economy around to healthy levels. We already tried a stimulus bill and I do not think the current one should be passed until recipients' books are scrutinized. GM stated that they go through $2B a month.....fixed? Or, variable? Scrutinize those who are still under collective bargaining....reduce the overhead! So, until that $2B number is more realistic, why dump more 'credit' on them. They currently are weak. There are others - don't just throw money at faltering banks - they must reveal their books with truly valued derivatives and throw the SPE's out! They are designed to hide liabilities!

Bush quickly reacted and it didn't work. Obama will be great a president - but, don't rush this! We know it is a crisis and it needs to be addressed, but placing psychological pressure to pass it is not prudent.

I think he should also maintain strong positions with the terrorist groups and send them strong messages. If they feel we are preoccupied with 'fixing' our economy, which they (the terrorists) know the way to cripple us is financially, there quite possibly could be another attack on US soil. I sincerely hope the crisis is turned around and terrorists know how strong we are, particularly when we are all together.

Cheers, Y'all!!
 
Martin Feldstein supported the stimulus package in October. He is now against it.
washingtonpost.com

And Feldstein is not alone.
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/01/28/economists-against-the-stimulus/


Feldstein was just appointed to the Obama Economic Recovery Team on Friday along with Penny Pritzker and a bunch of wealthy Wall Streeters.
“We’re tapping a broad and diverse range of opinion from across the country, because an historic crisis demands an historic response,” Obama said according to a posted transcript of the Friday press conference.

Feldstein will maintain his Harvard teaching duties while advising the president.
He is one of several board members whose economic views may conflict with dominant policy-makers in the Democratic administration.

“Not everyone is going to agree with each other, and not all of them are going to agree with me—and that’s precisely the point,” said Obama, according to his transcribed remarks.

Feldstein also serves as a director of American International Group, an international insurance company which received billions in government funding from the TARP bailout approved by Congress last summer.

if he didn't have ties to AIG, I wouldn't be leery of his motivations, but I do agree with some of what he is saying, especially about moving too fast. I do not agree with this partof Feldstein's commentary, though:

"The largest proposed outlays amount to just writing unrestricted checks to state governments. Nearly $100 billion would result from increasing the "Medicaid matching rate," a technique for reducing states' Medicaid costs to free up state money for spending on anything governors and state legislators want. An additional $80 billion would be given out for "state fiscal relief." Will these vast sums actually lead to additional spending, or will they merely finance state transfer payments or relieve state governments of the need for temporary tax hikes or bond issues?
The plan to finance health insurance premiums for the unemployed would actually increase unemployment by giving employers an incentive to lay off workers rather than pay health premiums during a time of weak demand. And this supposedly two-year program would create a precedent that could be hard to reverse."

Restrictions? It should be only related to stimulus and proven by statistics, IMO, but many State budgets are being cut dramatically resulting in a huge loss of jobs. Police, Fire Departments, teachers, are all losing jobs due to these budget cuts. Also, States start selling assets to the highest bidders, like parking lots and in the long run, it can add up to higher costs to the consumers and lost revenues to the States. Giving money to the States is like instant stimulus vs. infrastructure spending, which takes much longer to get rolling due to the oversight and bidding processes.

I also do not agree that giving unemployed health insurance would be enough of a motivator for a company to lay someone off. They are doing it for reasons other than the shared costs of health insurance. A friend of ours, who worked for the same union for 20 years, just lost his job right after he had to lay someone off whose wife had cancer. It didn't stop the union.

I think Obama knows that this isn't going to happen overnight. He is just trying to stem the political jockeying that occurs because everyone wants to look like a hero to their constituency. These are tough times and it warrants putting that aside and really understanding some of the economic ramifications vs. the schoolbook party politics.
 
Feldstein was just appointed to the Obama Economic Recovery Team on Friday along with Penny Pritzker and a bunch of wealthy Wall Streeters.
“We’re tapping a broad and diverse range of opinion from across the country, because an historic crisis demands an historic response,” Obama said according to a posted transcript of the Friday press conference.

Feldstein will maintain his Harvard teaching duties while advising the president.
He is one of several board members whose economic views may conflict with dominant policy-makers in the Democratic administration.

“Not everyone is going to agree with each other, and not all of them are going to agree with me—and that’s precisely the point,” said Obama, according to his transcribed remarks.

Feldstein also serves as a director of American International Group, an international insurance company which received billions in government funding from the TARP bailout approved by Congress last summer.

if he didn't have ties to AIG, I wouldn't be leery of his motivations, but I do agree with some of what he is saying, especially about moving too fast. I do not agree with this partof Feldstein's commentary, though:

"The largest proposed outlays amount to just writing unrestricted checks to state governments. Nearly $100 billion would result from increasing the "Medicaid matching rate," a technique for reducing states' Medicaid costs to free up state money for spending on anything governors and state legislators want. An additional $80 billion would be given out for "state fiscal relief." Will these vast sums actually lead to additional spending, or will they merely finance state transfer payments or relieve state governments of the need for temporary tax hikes or bond issues?
The plan to finance health insurance premiums for the unemployed would actually increase unemployment by giving employers an incentive to lay off workers rather than pay health premiums during a time of weak demand. And this supposedly two-year program would create a precedent that could be hard to reverse."

Restrictions? It should be only related to stimulus and proven by statistics, IMO, but many State budgets are being cut dramatically resulting in a huge loss of jobs. Police, Fire Departments, teachers, are all losing jobs due to these budget cuts. Also, States start selling assets to the highest bidders, like parking lots and in the long run, it can add up to higher costs to the consumers and lost revenues to the States. Giving money to the States is like instant stimulus vs. infrastructure spending, which takes much longer to get rolling due to the oversight and bidding processes.

I also do not agree that giving unemployed health insurance would be enough of a motivator for a company to lay someone off. They are doing it for reasons other than the shared costs of health insurance. A friend of ours, who worked for the same union for 20 years, just lost his job right after he had to lay someone off whose wife had cancer. It didn't stop the union.

I think Obama knows that this isn't going to happen overnight. He is just trying to stem the political jockeying that occurs because everyone wants to look like a hero to their constituency. These are tough times and it warrants putting that aside and really understanding some of the economic ramifications vs. the schoolbook party politics.


It appears that not everyone agrees here either, but hopefully people recognize the right a person has to an opinion.

I agree about AIG - we as tax payers got burned with the Bush Stimulus Bill - I believe we are all a bit weary - some out of work, tapped savings, etc.....for whatever reason, even people on this board have had gravely different experiences with this economy. I want a first class weekend at Canyon Ranch on your dime!

We should not throw any more money at a bank until they can effectively provide complete accounting.

But, not one dime should be handed over to one corporation without a complete, thorough due diligence process - not just capping CEO salary, but total comp package and if it's a publicly traded company, all of this info. is indeed public record.

I wrote Mel Martinez and posed this question: How much money did the Big 3 auto makers spend begging Congress for my money? And, how much of my money did Congress allow to be spent hearing them out begging for my money? :blink: I'll bet these numbers are staggering, too.

And, while not everyone will agree, I think a conversation or debate without name-calling and getting so angry will actually show a true respect here.

Still glad to be on sowal and my promise to you all is that your opinion will always be respected by me!!! ;-) MWAH!!!!! Cheers~~~~~~~~~~
 
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And, while not everyone will agree, I think a conversation or debate without name-calling and getting so angry will actually show a true respect here.

Still glad to be on sowal and my promise to you all is that your opinion will always be respected by me!!! ;-) MWAH!!!!! Cheers~~~~~~~~~~

I didn't call anyone names. :idontno:
 
I didn't call anyone names. :idontno:


No, no Mango, you didn't. I have seen this in other threads - I find it disrespectful.

When I perused this one this morning, I saw a great deal of anger........

So, until the next great political divide - let's go have some FUNN!! I only have the good energy in these ones for about a minute or two.......;-)
 
In attempting to get his stimulus bill passed, using psychological tactics, like 'permanence and irreversible' - she just nailed him.

Do you really think so?:confused:

The whole thing appeared very polished and 100% scripted to me. I think that most everyone (except maybe the woman correspondent from the Christian Science Monitor) stuck scrupulously to their previously vetted questions and the scripted answers.
 
Do you really think so?:confused:

The whole thing appeared very polished and 100% scripted to me. I think that most everyone (except maybe the woman correspondent from the Christian Science Monitor) stuck scrupulously to their previously vetted questions and the scripted answers.

Definitely not. That is not the way it works at all. The questions are the products of the journalists themselves (or more likely their bosses) and are not presubmitted. What does seem to be scripted is the order they are called on -- but I am pretty sure the reporters are not aware of it ahead of time.
 
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