Blair
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LuciferScam...no evidence there wont either
You speak as if you've read the bill......
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"Death panel" architect a pro-life Republican from Georgia?
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LuciferScam...no evidence there wont either
You speak as if you've read the bill......
Show me evidence Dick Cheney isn't forming a death squad of ex-CIA sharpshooters to exterminate seniors with shotgun blasts to the face.
Rita
margarita brocolia
Education of such things, not dictation by a Gov't Czar.
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From Politifact.com truth-o-meter:
PolitiFact | McCaughey claims end-of-life counseling will be required for Medicare patients
".... In her chat with Thompson, McCaughey said the language can be found on page 425 of the health care bill, so we started there. Indeed, Sec. 1233 of the bill, labeled "Advance Care Planning Consultation" details how the bill would, for the first time, require Medicare to cover the cost of end-of-life counseling sessions.
According to the bill, "such consultation shall include the following: An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to; an explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses; an explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy."
Medicare will cover one session every five years, the legislation states. If a patient becomes very ill in the interim, Medicare will cover additional sessions.
Jon Keyserling, general counsel and vice president of public policy for the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization, which supports the provision, said the bill doesn't encourage seniors to end their lives, it just allows some important counseling for decisions that take time and consideration.
"These are very serious conversations," he said. "It needs to be an informative conversation from the medical side and it needs to be thought about carefully by the patient and their families."
In no way would these sessions be designed to encourage patients to end their lives, said Jim Dau, national spokeman for AARP, a group that represents people over 50 that has lobbied in support of the advanced planning provision. ..................
"Neither of us can come to the conclusion that it's mandatory." he said. "This new consultation is just like all in Medicare: it's voluntary."
"The only thing mandatory is that Medicare will have to pay for the counseling," said Dau. ....................."
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LuciferSam
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Blair
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good lord!!! show me he his.....whered you come up with that????
Just when you think you....oh nevermind!
Lake View Too
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You guys are so funny. Excuse me for a minute, there's a guy with dark glasses carrying a gun bag at my door and I need to see what he wants...I'll be right back...
TooFarTampa
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You guys are so funny. Excuse me for a minute, there's a guy with dark glasses carrying a gun bag at my door and I need to see what he wants...I'll be right back...
If there are black helicopters circling overhead don't open it. :shock:
LuciferSam
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Straight from the deather talking points memo. No, the burden of proof is on you.
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Yarmap
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30ashopper
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I don't think they're angry about anything, I think they are concerned about the reform being pushed through some bills, and rightfully so. Times of crisis serve as excellent opportunities for pushing fringe agenda, as the Pelosi bill demonstrates.
All in all, I'm impressed, amazed, and feeling very en-heartened at how so may have chosen to get involved and have a say. These folks are forcing a national discussion the Pelosi's of the world would rather avoid, so I’m not surprised she is running around trying to demonize these folks. They are a thorn in the side of her very aggressive liberal agenda. More power to them!
All-in-all, blaming these folks for all the disinformation seems a little misguided to me - I think Congress and the President are to blame, they have done a horrible job of communicating all the different bills and the varying initiatives in each currently being considered.
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