Support and Defend the Constitution

[condomimi]

good first post...you just described the government in iran

Explain to me when the citizens of Iran ever had the freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to bear firearms (or to even possess weapons for their own defense), freedom to worship any religion of their choosing. Whatever freedoms the Iranian citizens have are determined by a group of self-appointed religious (?) clerics who control the government. The latest "Free" election in Iran and the resulting slaughter of its citizens should be a warning of what could happen when a government is "over" the people instead of being a representation of the will of the people.

 

[Bob]

Explain to me when the citizens of Iran ever had the freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to bear firearms (or to even possess weapons for their own defense), freedom to worship any religion of their choosing. Whatever freedoms the Iranian citizens have are determined by a group of self-appointed religious (?) clerics who control the government. The latest "Free" election in Iran and the resulting slaughter of its citizens should be a warning of what could happen when a government is "over" the people instead of being a representation of the will of the people.

it's a theocracy posing as a democracy

 

[Miss Kitty]

Beach ho - you are entitled to your opinion.

I am entitled to mine, which is why I get to DISAGREE with your entire post.

P.S. Jesus says if you all spent as much time following his teachings as you did arguing about Bible translations and claiming him for your political party/sports team the world would be MUCH better off.

Wake up, we are being lured into a trap designed some 230 years ago! Wasn't the Constitution authored by a bunch of *Freemasons*, who, we all know, were/are a front for the *Illuminati*, who had direct roots from the *Knights Templar*? Can't you see that the very same people who composed the document are one and the same as those who put the evil eye on our currency and want to tatoo us all with a barcode that will be scanned as we enter a FEMA death camp in rural Mississippi?

We are being divided! Skull and Bones/Freemasons/Founding Fathers...they are distracting us and encouraging dissent so as to make it easy to enslave us! Open your eyes! :leaving:

Unfreakinbelievable is the best word to describe this thread. In fact, I usually ignore these tirades, but to all the posters... go back and read the entire thing and tell me I am wrong...y'all sound like a bunch of playground name callers!

I quoted the above posts, because they ring true to me. The Republican Party I used to belong to is gone...although I am hoping the broad minded, useful members are underground waiting to reclaim what used to be a party of sound ideas for this country. We MUST have at least a two party system in this country. The Republican Party as I see it, is pushing out more members than they are bringing in...unless they feel they are waking up the narrow minded. In that case, we do need a third party and fast.

BTW...I don't buy all that scary sheet. Please leave Jesus out of this, he is embarrassed enough as it is. I suggest a change in tactics.

 

[Lake View Too]

Miss Kitty: I think you nailed it: The Republican party has simply not been able to show that their policies work (see Iraq war, economy). Hence, in order to gain votes, they have had to cater to the narrow-minded, and, IMO, this fear-mongering is a concerted effort to demonize everything progressive. I really believe in the two party system. With a strong third party, you run the chances of a huge "swing" vote that could undermine the concept of majority rule. I wish the Republican Party would bring something thoughtful and intelligent to the debate, but from the looks of this thread, in the immortal words of Tim the Tool Guy, "I don't think so".

 

[GoodWitch58]

I agree. The country needs the two party system.

What I don't understand is the inability of the Republicans to form a cohesive plan without all the fearmongering...so much of it seems to be to win over the fringe of the party--because I know that many of the leaders in the party don't really believe all this "off the wall stuff" (many of them, like Newt Gingrich voted for the very thing he shouts about now, when he had a vote)...

so why are they trying to win over the fringe of the party? At the very least, that element is already there...and, if not, why would any respectable Republican want them if they were not? What does all the shouting and fearing add to the equation?

And, hating and fearing government is just a puzzle to me: do the people who fear government takeover refuse to have the fire department come when their house is on fire; refuse the help from law enforcement when there is a crime committed against them; refuse to go to Court when they have been wronged? refuse to drive on highways and over bridges when they want to go somewhere? refuse help from the National Guard in case of a disaster? refuse to let their son or daughter join the military because it's part of the (fearful) government?

I imagine there might be a few who do. And, I can truly respect them. If one stands up for his or her principles, whatever they are, then I can admire that. But to shout about government takeover and still continue to benefit from government programs, is hypocritical at the least IMO.

None of it makes any sense to me. The world is a crazy enough place already--we do not need more crazy.

 

[Gidget]

Unfreakinbelievable is the best word to describe this thread. In fact, I usually ignore these tirades, but to all the posters... go back and read the entire thing and tell me I am wrong...y'all sound like a bunch of playground name callers!

I quoted the above posts, because they ring true to me. The Republican Party I used to belong to is gone...although I am hoping the broad minded, useful members are underground waiting to reclaim what used to be a party of sound ideas for this country. We MUST have at least a two party system in this country. The Republican Party as I see it, is pushing out more members than they are bringing in...unless they feel they are waking up the narrow minded. In that case, we do need a third party and fast.

BTW...I don't buy all that scary sheet. Please leave Jesus out of this, he is embarrassed enough as it is. I suggest a change in tactics.

I agree with your post Miss Kitty. I have voted republican a few times in the past but now it seems like the only things I hear most rant about are abortion, gun control, homosexuals and prayer. That's the focus most often and woe to those who think even a step out of the box.

To quote sections of Beach Ho's email (see below) I would say what I said earlier. This was just posted to inflame and to bait others. Had I and others ignored it, it would have died. My attempt at the humorous Jesus bumper sticker was posted to try and take it to a lighter side, but don't think that happened. Also, the attempt to post the troll image but that was taken with bitterness as well.

I do not share his view that America is not a Christian Nation; (THIS JUST SHOWS HE CERTAINLY ISN’T UP ON HIS AMERICAN HISTORY!)

They have challenged capital punishment, the right to bear firearms,
and the most basic principles of our criminal code; they have attacked
one of the most fundamental of all Freedoms, the right of free
speech!And they forgot what this country was built on Judeo-Christian
principles! They fail to realize when they took "God out of
everything" this country went on a downhill spiral fast and they still believe this County is Unite behind President Obama? Never!
I refuse to retreat one more inch in favor of those whom I believe are the embodiment of Evil!

President Bush made mistakes during his Presidency, (EVERY PRESIDENT DOES) however;
I believe that he weighed his decisions in light of the long
established Judeo-Christian principles of our Founding Fathers!!!
Majority rules in America, and I will honor the concept; however, I
will fight with all of my power to be a voice in opposition to President Obama and "his goals for America ".
Because I am going to be a thorn in the side of those who, if left unchecked,
will destroy our Country!! Any more compromise is more defeat! I pray
that now Obama is President and has shown his true colors, everyone
concerned will wake up the many that have sat on the sidelines and
allowed the Socialist-Marxist anti-God crowd to slowly change so much of
what has been good in America!

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Thanks for your sound post and also for Lake View Too's post. Very nicely done.

G

 

[Gidget]

Your post also goodwitch - we must have been posting at same time.

 

[LuciferSam]

Unfreakinbelievable is the best word to describe this thread. In fact, I usually ignore these tirades, but to all the posters... go back and read the entire thing and tell me I am wrong...y'all sound like a bunch of playground name callers!

I quoted the above posts, because they ring true to me. The Republican Party I used to belong to is gone...although I am hoping the broad minded, useful members are underground waiting to reclaim what used to be a party of sound ideas for this country. We MUST have at least a two party system in this country. The Republican Party as I see it, is pushing out more members than they are bringing in...unless they feel they are waking up the narrow minded. In that case, we do need a third party and fast.

BTW...I don't buy all that scary sheet. Please leave Jesus out of this, he is embarrassed enough as it is. I suggest a change in tactics.

The undesirables in the Republican party today are a by product of the Reagan revolution. It started under Reagan/Bush, then it became a festering sore while Clinton was in office. With Dubya, it was payback time. Now they are panicking because their vision of America has been categorically rejected and will never thrive. I could conceivably vote Republican if it weren't for the fact that the party comes across as an insane asylum run by the inmates.

 

[idlewind]

Ah, abortion. I wonder how some can say that they want ZERO government involvement regarding a doctor and a patient YET they want the government to 100% step in when it comes to a woman and her doctor. Even if the woman's life is in danger.

That is a puzzlement.

G

I think you left out an interested party: the child. Killing a child is wrong. If you and your doctor agreed to kill your husband, I think someone would have a problem.

That said, I am against a constitutional amendment prohibiting abortion. I do think the congress should pass a law removing this from Supreme Court jurisdiction as it is properly a state matter. States should be allowed to handle this as their people wish.

 

[idlewind]

I agree. The country needs the two party system.

What I don't understand is the inability of the Republicans to form a cohesive plan without all the fearmongering...so much of it seems to be to win over the fringe of the party--because I know that many of the leaders in the party don't really believe all this "off the wall stuff" (many of them, like Newt Gingrich voted for the very thing he shouts about now, when he had a vote)...

so why are they trying to win over the fringe of the party? At the very least, that element is already there...and, if not, why would any respectable Republican want them if they were not? What does all the shouting and fearing add to the equation?

And, hating and fearing government is just a puzzle to me: do the people who fear government takeover refuse to have the fire department come when their house is on fire; refuse the help from law enforcement when there is a crime committed against them; refuse to go to Court when they have been wronged? refuse to drive on highways and over bridges when they want to go somewhere? refuse help from the National Guard in case of a disaster? refuse to let their son or daughter join the military because it's part of the (fearful) government?

I imagine there might be a few who do. And, I can truly respect them. If one stands up for his or her principles, whatever they are, then I can admire that. But to shout about government takeover and still continue to benefit from government programs, is hypocritical at the least IMO.

None of it makes any sense to me. The world is a crazy enough place already--we do not need more crazy.

Government is the one thing we ALL SHOULD FEAR. Government is the one vehicle strong enough to unilaterally take away our freedoms. Of course government can do many good things, protect us from fires, etc. but it should always be treated as a necessary evil and handled like a dangerous snake: very carefully.

Our problem is that we did not get into this problem quickly and the fix will be equally as long.