Smiling JOe
SoWal Expert
I see it more of a governmental influence, rather than left or right. The bottom 25% get most of the attention, at the expense of the top 25%, while the middle 50% are just doing their own thing.
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I see it more of a governmental influence, rather than left or right. The bottom 25% get most of the attention, at the expense of the top 25%, while the middle 50% are just doing their own thing.
TooFarTampa
SoWal Insider
This is why I hate slow news weeks, because silly stuff like this ends up filling the gaps in the news cycle! What a waste of time and breath.
Andy A
Beach Fanatic
There is certainly nothing wrong with the President of the United States addressing school children and advising them on how important their education is. If he uses it to promote his personal agenda that is a different matter.
The fact is, we won't know what he has to say until it is said. Having said that, there is only one place a child should be "indoctrinated" and that is at home. The schools of this nation should be presenting students with facts, opinions of those facts but not brainwashing them to think one way or another. That is the parent's responsibility and should remain there.
I would love to see the Federal government totally out of our schools and their function and operation left up to the states and local school boards. The funding would never be sent to D.C. for re-distribution to the states and localities. We need "change" alright but not the kind that is coming down the pike.
The fact is, we won't know what he has to say until it is said. Having said that, there is only one place a child should be "indoctrinated" and that is at home. The schools of this nation should be presenting students with facts, opinions of those facts but not brainwashing them to think one way or another. That is the parent's responsibility and should remain there.
I would love to see the Federal government totally out of our schools and their function and operation left up to the states and local school boards. The funding would never be sent to D.C. for re-distribution to the states and localities. We need "change" alright but not the kind that is coming down the pike.
I have no problems with the idea of "the President" speaking to our children. I do have my antennas up about what this president may say. I have emailed my school district to see if they are even going to have this at my daughters school. If so I will ask to be there while it is being viewed. If they will not allow that, then I will watch myself. I might even lkeep heer home and we would watch together. Then we will have a discussion about it that night like we always do. I will explain what was good and what was not good. I think that Bob is right in saying that some of our youth think that Obama is cool, BUT I know different. It is up to me and my wife to block the socialist agenda from my daughter by educating her. And believe me, we will. It is that simple.
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drivingtheview
Beach Lover
Who cares??? Obama is a proven master of seizing "teachable moments." Like when the President of the United States of America holds a Q&A on national television and claims, without knowing all the facts, "the Cambridge Police acted stupidly." When a third grader calls someone stupid without knowing all the facts, they can learn how a beer at the Whitehouse Garden can gloss over the complete ignorance of such judgemental words and also allow for no apologies to ever be made.
YouTube - Obama: Police Acted 'stupidly' in Scholar Arrest
Who better to teach personal responsibility to America's youth??
Andy A
Beach Fanatic
With all due respect, though I realize it was said humorously, the ignore button is never the answer, IMO. I don't even know where it is.and remember where the ignore button is
Rita
margarita brocolia
Back in the day,as a first grade teacher, my teammates and I went to church every year before school began and listened to singing and inspiration, along with demands to wear pantyhose. Will Mr. Obama be talking about pantyhose...will he be singing? I hope so.
from mtlinscomb post - WH withdraws call for students to 'help' Obama - Washington Times
"I can't think of anything less partisan than this," said Mo Elleithee, a Democratic strategist. "It's admirable that President Obama would challenge our schoolchildren to do their best, and it's the kind of message that most level-headed Americans can easily get behind."
Mr. Elleithee called the moral outrage " beyond silly" and said it was " the kind of hyper-partisanship that people so soundly rejected last November."
Longtime political analyst Norman Ornstein said he viewed the strong reaction to Mr. Obama's speech as a sign of the coarsening of American politics.
"The fact that a standard issue speech by a president, with a good, common sense, even conservative message about education, school, hard work and perseverance, is being hit hard by the right tells us how dysfunctional our politics are, how shrill the discourse is getting from the president's foes, and how some people are blinded from common sense by their visceral hatred for Obama and his side of the aisle," Mr. Orenstein said
I'm all for a President taking a leadership role in education. Striving to improve education, retention rates, and sparking the desire of students to serve their communities would be something we all should desire. A president can use their position to be a catalyst in some of these things.
If Obama were to propagandize or try to indoctrinate, then of course we should be concerned. I have no reason to believe that that will happen in his speech. I believe he wants the best for our country's children and to be able to encourage them through education. There is nothing sinister!
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mtlinscomb
Beach Fanatic
Parents upset over 'leftist propaganda' video
Parents upset over 'leftist propaganda' video - Salt Lake Tribune
Education ? Principal apologizes for showing 'I Pledge' to students.
By Lisa Schencker
The Salt Lake Tribune
Updated: 09/02/2009 10:07:30 AM MDT
A school principal has apologized for showing a video at an assembly that a politically conservative group leader is calling "radical, leftist propaganda."
Children at Eagle Bay Elementary School in Farmington were shown a short video called "I pledge" on Aug. 28. The video opens with an image of President Barack Obama and part of a speech in which he says, "Let us summon a new spirit of patriotism, of responsibility where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves but each other." The video then features celebrities making pledges about how they will help the president and the world -- and that's where some say the problem lies.
Many pledges, such as supporting local food banks, smiling more, and caring for the elderly are noncontroversial. But other pledges, such as "to never give anyone the finger when I'm driving again," "to sell my obnoxious car and buy a hybrid" and to advance stem cell research cross the line, some say.
"Showing the video in a public school is completely inappropriate," said Jennifer Cieslewicz, whose daughter is a first-grader at the school. "I don't believe a video such as this that promotes certain values should be shown to elementary students, especially without parents being aware. "
Chris Williams, Davis School District spokesman, said school principal Ofelia Wade and school PTA leaders decided to show the video as part of an assembly about the school's theme for the year, service. He said the PTA board chose the video and Wade did not see it before it was shown in the assembly.
"It got to a point where she turned to her assistant and said, 'Oops, I wish I would have seen this before. I don't think I would have shown it,' " Williams said. He said Wade could see how some adults might find the video political.
"She acknowledges she was wrong and apologizes for it and says she's sorry," Williams said. Attempts to reach school PTA leaders Tuesday evening were unsuccessful.
Williams said Wade plans to send a letter home to parents Wednesday about the issue.
Gayle Ruzicka, president of conservative Utah Eagle Forum, said the video was blatantly political. She said other offensive pledges included, "I pledge to be of service to Barack Obama," "I pledge allegiance to the funk, to the united funk of funkadelica," and pledges to not use plastic grocery bags and not flush the toilet after urinating.
"It's very inappropriate to show a radical, leftist propaganda piece that political to children," Ruzicka said. "If parents want their children to learn about those things and do them in the home, wonderful, fine, but it's not the place of the school to show a one-sided propaganda piece to children without parents knowing about it."
Cieslewicz said such values should be decided in the home, not at school.
"They shouldn't be troubling our youth with the woes of the world and making them feel like we're in slavery or they have to worry about how many times they flush the toilet or if they have a plastic water bottle," Cieslewicz said, referring to pledges in the video to "end slavery."
Ruzicka said she contacted local media about the video after receiving complaints from several parents. Ruzicka said she worried the video's messages would confuse children whose parents might choose to use plastic bags when shopping or who want their children to flush the toilet after every use. Also she said she didn't like a pledge "to be of service to Barack Obama" as he is here to serve Americans, not the other way around.
Ruzicka said she'd like to see the school district send a link to the video to all parents before an upcoming back-to-school night so they can voice their opinions and discuss it with their children. Williams said it's unlikely the district will send out a link, but parents are welcome to access the video on YouTube.
Parents upset over 'leftist propaganda' video - Salt Lake Tribune
Education ? Principal apologizes for showing 'I Pledge' to students.
By Lisa Schencker
The Salt Lake Tribune
Updated: 09/02/2009 10:07:30 AM MDT
A school principal has apologized for showing a video at an assembly that a politically conservative group leader is calling "radical, leftist propaganda."
Children at Eagle Bay Elementary School in Farmington were shown a short video called "I pledge" on Aug. 28. The video opens with an image of President Barack Obama and part of a speech in which he says, "Let us summon a new spirit of patriotism, of responsibility where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves but each other." The video then features celebrities making pledges about how they will help the president and the world -- and that's where some say the problem lies.
Many pledges, such as supporting local food banks, smiling more, and caring for the elderly are noncontroversial. But other pledges, such as "to never give anyone the finger when I'm driving again," "to sell my obnoxious car and buy a hybrid" and to advance stem cell research cross the line, some say.
"Showing the video in a public school is completely inappropriate," said Jennifer Cieslewicz, whose daughter is a first-grader at the school. "I don't believe a video such as this that promotes certain values should be shown to elementary students, especially without parents being aware. "
Chris Williams, Davis School District spokesman, said school principal Ofelia Wade and school PTA leaders decided to show the video as part of an assembly about the school's theme for the year, service. He said the PTA board chose the video and Wade did not see it before it was shown in the assembly.
"It got to a point where she turned to her assistant and said, 'Oops, I wish I would have seen this before. I don't think I would have shown it,' " Williams said. He said Wade could see how some adults might find the video political.
"She acknowledges she was wrong and apologizes for it and says she's sorry," Williams said. Attempts to reach school PTA leaders Tuesday evening were unsuccessful.
Williams said Wade plans to send a letter home to parents Wednesday about the issue.
Gayle Ruzicka, president of conservative Utah Eagle Forum, said the video was blatantly political. She said other offensive pledges included, "I pledge to be of service to Barack Obama," "I pledge allegiance to the funk, to the united funk of funkadelica," and pledges to not use plastic grocery bags and not flush the toilet after urinating.
"It's very inappropriate to show a radical, leftist propaganda piece that political to children," Ruzicka said. "If parents want their children to learn about those things and do them in the home, wonderful, fine, but it's not the place of the school to show a one-sided propaganda piece to children without parents knowing about it."
Cieslewicz said such values should be decided in the home, not at school.
"They shouldn't be troubling our youth with the woes of the world and making them feel like we're in slavery or they have to worry about how many times they flush the toilet or if they have a plastic water bottle," Cieslewicz said, referring to pledges in the video to "end slavery."
Ruzicka said she contacted local media about the video after receiving complaints from several parents. Ruzicka said she worried the video's messages would confuse children whose parents might choose to use plastic bags when shopping or who want their children to flush the toilet after every use. Also she said she didn't like a pledge "to be of service to Barack Obama" as he is here to serve Americans, not the other way around.
Ruzicka said she'd like to see the school district send a link to the video to all parents before an upcoming back-to-school night so they can voice their opinions and discuss it with their children. Williams said it's unlikely the district will send out a link, but parents are welcome to access the video on YouTube.
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