Lake View Too
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I don't want this to morph into tax cut debate. I'd like to find out more about why Dems voted down amendments that would add verification to the exclusion of illegals.
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Andy A
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Not once, but twice. I'd like the same answer.
scooterbug44
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I'd like to know what the content of the amendments was as well - especially since we are only hearing about them as Wilson attempts to justify his behavior.
I am also still waiting to hear why it is so hard to ask someone to prove their citizenship w/ a photo ID when they want to receive medical care on the taxpayer dime.
P.S. This constant use of illegals as scapegoats and a political rallying point makes me very uncomfortable. Did I miss the memo that if someone is not a US citizen their life has no value and we have no moral responsibility to treat them fairly?
I am also still waiting to hear why it is so hard to ask someone to prove their citizenship w/ a photo ID when they want to receive medical care on the taxpayer dime.
P.S. This constant use of illegals as scapegoats and a political rallying point makes me very uncomfortable. Did I miss the memo that if someone is not a US citizen their life has no value and we have no moral responsibility to treat them fairly?
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NotDeadYet
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Incorrect. You can get a SSN if you have a work visa. I know several people who are legal immigrants, working here on legal work visas. One of them is a PhD.
From SSA:
"Generally, only noncitizens authorized to work in the United States by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) can get a Social Security number."
Among other things, the SSN is used by the legal immigrant to file a tax return, called an "NR" return - the NR stands for Non Resident. I believe one of the requirements for a green card is that while you are working here and waiting for the green card application to be approved, you have to show that you have paid your taxes.
Here's the requirements for a Florida driver's license:
"Age 18 or Older
- United States Citizen proof of identity.
- Non-United States Citizen proof of identity.
- Proof of Social Security number, if issued. Chapter 322, Florida Statutes, requires the Department to collect social security numbers for the issuance of driver license and identification cards.
- Proof of residential address
- Proof of completion of a Traffic Law & Substance Abuse Education Course or license from another state, country, or jurisdiction.
It isn't that easy to prove citizenship. If I had to prove it today, I guess I would have to dig out my passport or birth certificate. When's the last time you were asked for either, unless you were traveling?
We need to make sure we understand the difference between a legal and an illegal alien, and know which one we are talking about. Many legal immigrants spend a lifetime or nearly so, in this country, work, pay taxes, raise families, and never become citizens.
Winnie
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This one was voted down 26 to 15, it's only two pages: http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/UploadedFiles/Heller_Amdt_Text.pdf
Winnie
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And this one was defeated 29 to 28 (also two pages):
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090730/hr3200_deal_1.pdf
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090730/hr3200_deal_1.pdf
BeachSiO2
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So based on my reading of the text, they voted on whether or not to use existing programs or programs already included in the proposed bill to verify citizenship- and they voted against the amendments. Does anyone else know about this as if they had existing programs or ones that were already being created, the cost shouldn't be increased which is one reason given to pooh-pooh verification systems. This is especially interesting if they are using systems within the proposed bill to perform the verification.
