Joe Wilson the confederate

[Mango]

without listing all what i could list about the hypocrisy, i have one question for bob. if the prez wasnt lying, why the next day did the white house issue an amendment that will require proof of identity/residency when the original did not? meaning, the original absolutely would have allowed illegal coverge-period. shouting "liar" was dumb, but he wasnt lying...pardon the pun. and now the dems and their pals in the media are using this for political gain all day long and its transparent. well, its transparent to those who arent in the tank for party lines and that want factual information from our elected officials and/or our media.

what a joke this story is. its so wonder why so many especially the liberal wing is so grossly in the clouds these days. not one single lib blog or news channel has mentioned this and ive been researching for days. with charlie gibson saying today that he hasnt heard of the acorn controversy, does anyone still doubt the media is at all competant-NOT!!!

Wondering why no one addressed my post # 54 from another thread? Here it is below:

I can see the why on the exterior Republicans want the SAVE program, a program already in existence to prevent ineligible residents from obtaining government assistance programs, it looks good to their constituency. But, how many illegals would try to get health subsidies either through Medicare or a public option without already getting other government assisted programs? To me a red flag would go up. HR 3200 allowed for the Secretary to determine a plan to weed out those looking for loopholes.

Besides, currently, half of the undocumented aliens have SS#'s and pay taxes in the billions of dollars; technically, they could apply for a health subsidy depending on if their income is 400% below the poverty line, and 133% for Medicare, yet no one is balking about that. We can take their money, that's ok, but heaven forbid we provide health care when needed. So, is the SAVE program going to verify this? No, it can't, it hasn't and never will.

The Right is balking that if amnesty is granted to undocumented aliens so they can pay into a public option, that the costs will be much higher to all of us taxpayers, but we have, thanks to Saint Ronnie, the Emergency and Medical treatment act requiring participating hospitals to treat in emergent situations regardless of ability to pay. The statistics show that most undocumented illegals are young and healthy, but that the birth rate here is high. Would you turn away a pregnant illegal, whose child BTW, will qualify for all kinds of federal assistance since the child is now a legal citizen? Would you turn away those with swine flu, tuberculosis and many other communicable diseases? We will pay, and do pay, one way or another.

Maybe it's time we all stop "lying" about what's really needed-- health care reform, immigration reform-- and lobby reform-- instead of all the partisan bickering and posturing.

 

[Winnie]

I think it's less expensive to keep illegal aliens "uninsured" and just pay for their healthcare when they don't. Like we are doing currently.

 

[mtlinscomb]

Wondering why no one addressed my post # 54 from another thread? Here it is below:

A. Making someone prove who they are via identification is not racial profiling, but it is to the left because minorities are their fastest growing group of voters. Until we are able to make people prove who they are, we will never make any headway on this topic.

In my experience, most people passionate about open borders and with a lot of compassion for illegals often don't live in a city overflowing with them. Spend some time in Houston where our problem with MS13 is beyond out of control and then get back to me on your thoughts about how cruel it is to desire to have this disease on our society eliminated. Trust me, I know there are many good people that are here to work hard, but more than half of our police fatalities have been carried out by those who AREN'T supposed to be here.

B. Yes I would not only turn them away in all but the most extreme of emergencies, but I would also deport someone here illegally. You and I are required to follow the laws of this country. For some reason those who are here illegally are not held to the same standard.

C. How will we ever stop or slow the flow of illegals if we provide them the option to apply for healthcare in this country? If the number of people utilizing a publically funded option increases rather than decreases, does this not just increase the burden on the taxpayer? And YES a public option will be publically funded...don't buy into the political sweet talk. If it takes drastic measures to stop the flow of illegals, I'm all for drastic measures. We have a path for LEGAL immigration to this country. Get in line with everyone else.

D. Those who think providing healthcare for illegals is a good idea please form a charity and fund the program yourself.

 

[Lynnie]

This just goes to show that you shouldn't believe what you hear in church.;-)

Well, since Y'all brought up church, thought I'd share something. A few years ago, I decided to go to my church's sister church in Atlanta, which is where Martin Luther King, Jr. attended. I committed to six weeks.

I stuck out like a sore thumb, but was so moved by the music; I love Gospel music and I particularly love it sung by black people. It's soulful and quite moving.

This went on for infiniti. But, then the sermon began and it was good. Until Preacher Man began speaking and quite frankly screaming about politics. 'Get out of Iraq!' 'Go to Iran!' WT~~~~~ made no sense! Just wanted to slam the then current adminstration.

I took many, many deep breaths. Iraq, Iran, Palestine were not why I was there - being prayerful for the globe is why I was there.

So, why do some churches bring politics into the pulpit?

Maybe you're right, Poppy! But, I like my personal theology and it matches my church.

 

[Mango]

A. Making someone prove who they are via identification is not racial profiling, but it is to the left because minorities are their fastest growing group of voters. Until we are able to make people prove who they are, we will never make any headway on this topic.

In my experience, most people passionate about open borders and with a lot of compassion for illegals often don't live in a city overflowing with them. Spend some time in Houston where our problem with MS13 is beyond out of control and then get back to me on your thoughts about how cruel it is to desire to have this disease on our society eliminated. Trust me, I know there are many good people that are here to work hard, but more than half of our police fatalities have been carried out by those who AREN'T supposed to be here.

B. Yes I would not only turn them away in all but the most extreme of emergencies, but I would also deport someone here illegally. You and I are required to follow the laws of this country. For some reason those who are here illegally are not held to the same standard.

C. How will we ever stop or slow the flow of illegals if we provide them the option to apply for healthcare in this country? If the number of people utilizing a publically funded option increases rather than decreases, does this not just increase the burden on the taxpayer? And YES a public option will be publically funded...don't buy into the political sweet talk. If it takes drastic measures to stop the flow of illegals, I'm all for drastic measures. We have a path for LEGAL immigration to this country. Get in line with everyone else.

D. Those who think providing healthcare for illegals is a good idea please form a charity and fund the program yourself.

I live in New York, and we have our fair share our illegal immigrants, so you're speaking to the choir. Spare me the blight rhetoric and put your anti- La Raza card away for a minute and answer the question, which you still haven't addressed, which is how many illegals would SAVE capture? Did the Congressman who presented it have a way to capture those illegals who pay taxes and may seek health credits under HR 3200? Are we going to refund their tax dollars? How many illegal immigrants who do file taxes live under the 400% poverty line or Medicaid eligible vs. legal immigrants? I know the answer, do you?

As far as Obama stroking illegals, you may have missed this today.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/sep/15/obama-aide-calls-e-verify-reliable/

President Obama's new director of Citizenship and Immigration Services on Monday defended the accuracy of E-Verify, the government's electronic verification system for workers, putting himself at odds with immigrant rights groups that have been strong supporters of the president.
Expanding E-Verify is one of several immigrant enforcement moves the Obama administration has made that have caused alarm among rights and immigrant advocates. Those groups had hoped Mr. Obama would move early to overhaul the nation's immigration laws and give the nation's illegal immigrants a path to citizenship.

 

[fisher]

Rep. Joe Wilson member of Confederate group? | KansasCity.com Prime Buzz Rep. Joe Wilson member of Confederate group?

from crooksandliars

Looking into the background of Rep. Joe Wilson, R-South Carolina, after his heckling of President Obama is this:

Joe also has been a member of the Columbia World Affairs Council, Fellowship of Christian Athletes, Sinclair Lodge 154, Jamil Temple, Woodmen of the World, Sons of Confederate Veterans, ....

This is an organization that, as the SPLC has detailed assiduously, has been taken over in the past decade by radical neo-Confederates who favor secession and defend slavery as a benign institution. Leading the takeover is a radical racist who's been an important legal figure on the far right for some years.

In more recent years, the takeover has led to an outright internal civil war. Andrew Meacham at the St. Petersburg Times detailed the internal rift last year:

Experts say the divisions within the Sons vary between two extremes. On one side are the traditionalists, members who focus on cleaning up Confederate grave sites and conducting Civil War re-enactments.

On the other side are the so-called Lunatics, up to 2,000 members who deride traditionalists as "grannies'' and belong to camps named after notorious Southern figures such as John Wilkes Booth and Jesse James.

John Wilkes Booth members have been known to put pennies in urinals, making sure to leave the Lincoln side face-up. Other Lunatic groups have removed the U.S. flag from their halls and banned the Pledge of Allegiance, says Walter Hilderman, who several years ago created an anti-Lunatic group called Save the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

"The problem is it's supposed to be a patriotic organization," says Hilderman, 59. "You are either that or you let guys in who want to secede."

Now, add this to the fact that Joe Wilson, as a state legislator, was one of only seven Republicans to go against their own party and vote to keep the Dixie Rebel flag flying over the South Carolina capitol:

The flag came down that year after Republicans in both houses went for a compromise that would put it on Statehouse grounds at the Confederate Soldier?s monument. The ?Magnificent Seven? of Senators who voted to keep the flag up included current Congressman Joe Wilson

Oh please. It says "he has been a member of these organizations" not "IS a member. Nor does the article have any evidence at all that he is a racist. Give me a break.

Before worrying about little ole Joe Wilson, take a look at one of the democratic heroes of the 20th century--Robert "KKK" Byrd.

Joe's association with the "Sons" is no worse that Obama's 20 year very close association with the hyper racist Rev Wright and his political organization--er, I mean "church".

 

[Scooter]

Fisher!!!!!! I was raised Catholic. No more church for me!!!!!!

 

[Gidget]

orr

I took many, many deep breaths. Iraq, Iran, Palestine were not why I was there - being prayerful for the globe is why I was there.

So, why do some churches bring politics into the pulpit?

Maybe we need to "police" our churches a bit more and if they are preaching politics take their tax exemptions away.

In Louisiana I rode past a church during the election that had on a marquee so to speak

VOTE RIGHT!

Looks like it happens a lot.

G

Sorry that happened to you Lynnie - what a shame really as you were trying to really experience something

 

[Bob]

Oh please. It says "he has been a member of these organizations" not "IS a member. Nor does the article have any evidence at all that he is a racist. Give me a break.

Before worrying about little ole Joe Wilson, take a look at one of the democratic heroes of the 20th century--Robert "KKK" Byrd.

Joe's association with the "Sons" is no worse that Obama's 20 year very close association with the hyper racist Rev Wright and his political organization--er, I mean "church".

oh please! joe w was one of seven racist idiots who voted to keep the rebel flag atop the capitol in columbia! he's a war hero!!!!

 

[seagrovegirl]

It just baffles me how this has turned into a racial debate. The man said one word. If it's racist, I'm missing something. He's proud of the confederate flag, many people in the south are. Many southern families lost loved ones in that war and they were not slave owners. It's a culture thing, kind of like Ebonics.

The Joe Wilson thing has been so blown up it's obvious its a slow news week. I am sure CNN is praying for a hurricane. Now that is news.