catholic church affects our government

[30ashopper]

Science flies men to the moon, religion flies them into buildings.

Men fly to the moon by leveraging what's learned through science, Men fly planes into buildings using religion as an excuse. You would do away with religion? But that wouldn't solve the problem now would it, because excuses are easy to come by. Heck, one could use science as an excuse too. What would you do then?

 

[Bob]

let's mentally rumble

 

[Lynnie]

As Kurt so aptly put, some see what they want to see.

Yes and it is evident.

Men fly to the moon by leveraging what's learned through science, Men fly planes into buildings using religion as an excuse. You would do away with religion? But that wouldn't solve the problem now would it, because excuses are easy to come by. Heck, one could use science as an excuse too. What would you do then?

Very valid point; there will always be something to instigate a war or two - in the name of God, Allah, non-belief or going to the Moon.

let's mentally rumble

Precious

 

[LuciferSam]

Men fly to the moon by leveraging what's learned through science, Men fly planes into buildings using religion as an excuse. You would do away with religion? But that wouldn't solve the problem now would it, because excuses are easy to come by. Heck, one could use science as an excuse too. What would you do then?

http://www.sowal.com/bb/politics-current-events/42124-catholic-church-affects-our-government.html#post625077

 

[Mango]

What apparently is tucked into the Stupak amendment, and is the big bone of contention, is this bit that requires that any insurance company that participates in the exchange has to offer the same policies in the exchange as it does in the open market to prevent insurers from offering substandard policies to the poor while extending better policies to those who are better off. So, assuming a big chunk of the insurance market action will be on the exchange, every insurer will want to participate, meaning they they would have to get rid of abortion coverage in all their policies that they offer.

The Stupak amendment wasn't just to make sure that the Hyde Amendment stood-- which prohibits federal funding of abortions and has been around since the 70's. This was to prevent insurance companies from providing abortion coverage PERIOD in either a policy or a rider.

So, it was no surprise that the US Conference of Catholic Bishops supported and lobbied for the Stupak Amendment. It doesn't make them any different than any other pro-life group with the exception of making a statement to all women that regardless of your religious beliefs, it doesn't matter, and that our way is the right way. Is that the message the Catholic Church wants to espouse?

 

[30A Skunkape]

What apparently is tucked into the Stupak amendment, and is the big bone of contention, is this bit that requires that any insurance company that participates in the exchange has to offer the same policies in the exchange as it does in the open market to prevent insurers from offering substandard policies to the poor while extending better policies to those who are better off. So, assuming a big chunk of the insurance market action will be on the exchange, every insurer will want to participate, meaning they they would have to get rid of abortion coverage in all their policies that they offer.

The Stupak amendment wasn't just to make sure that the Hyde Amendment stood-- which prohibits federal funding of abortions and has been around since the 70's. This was to prevent insurance companies from providing abortion coverage PERIOD in either a policy or a rider.

So, it was no surprise that the US Conference of Catholic Bishops supported and lobbied for the Stupak Amendment. It doesn't make them any different than any other pro-life group with the exception of making a statement to all women that regardless of your religious beliefs, it doesn't matter, and that our way is the right way. Is that the message the Catholic Church wants to espouse?

Not trolling or flaming, but do most insurance policies cover elective abortions, ie those performed when there is no clear medical contraindication to pregnancy?

 

[Lynnie]

Not trolling or flaming, but do most insurance policies cover elective abortions, ie those performed when there is no clear medical contraindication to pregnancy?

A lot of them do during first trimester. Second trimester if adverse medical situation ensues and the procedure is still elective. They started this in the 80's and to not pose religious beliefs in their policies. Furthermore, most large corporations who subsidize the medical plans make certain abortions are covered - all part of diversity in today's world. There are those who do not, however because it's not a mandate.

 

[Kurt]

Thanks for getting back to topic and discussing nicely.

There are a few people who are on a short leash. They are on both sides "of the aisle". They know who they are.

 

[30A Skunkape]

A lot of them do during first trimester. Second trimester if adverse medical situation ensues and the procedure is still elective. They started this in the 80's and to not pose religious beliefs in their policies. Furthermore, most large corporations who subsidize the medical plans make certain abortions are covered - all part of diversity in today's world. There are those who do not, however because it's not a mandate.

I guess the question is what percentage of women who have elective abortions that would be covered by insurance pay cash to avoid the potential of some nut following a paper trail and humiliating them in public or worse.

 

[Lynnie]

I guess the question is what percentage of women who have elective abortions that would be covered by insurance pay cash to avoid the potential of some nut following a paper trail and humiliating them in public or worse.

Spot on! This happens more than we could imagine.