30ashopper
SoWal Insider
Final poll tallys looks really good for Brown. We find out tomorrow. With margins like this, there won't be any basis for law suits.
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The battle for Kennedy's seat
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Final poll tallys looks really good for Brown. We find out tomorrow. With margins like this, there won't be any basis for law suits.
Lynnie
SoWal Insider
There will be a legal battle over this. The Senate rules state that once the victor is "qualified" that the interim Senator is no longer allowed to vote. Repub attorneys have already confirmed that once Brown wins, any vote Kirk (Kennedy's replacement) makes is not valid. Same is supposedly true if Coakley wins.
Charlie Cook and Stewart Rotherberg, who are non-partisan election predictors, have both moved this race into the Republican column. Every poll except for one shows Brown up from 5-10 pts and the one that didn't had them even. It was a dem poll sponsored by the Daily Kos.
Health care is toast, unless they pass the Senate bill as is unamended in the House. I have a feeling there are a few House Dems that are going to be shaken to the bone by this Repub Senate win.
That's what I thought, too. But, it's the confirmation of the winner that is in question. I am hearing it will take weeks....it's going to be challenged on both sides regardless of how the vote looks tomorrow evening. So, will the appointed Senator be allowed to vote in a case where we can't confirm the new Senator?
The fact that this race is so close in MA speaks volumes as to what the public wants and I remain strong in my beliefs that 'we the people' do not want any party having /basically/ full control....while it can happen in very rare situations, we at our very core know it's not what this country is about. I love this about our incredibly brilliant system!
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scooterbug44
SoWal Expert
As one of the "public" I can definitively state that any lawsuits, squabbling, or attempt to "cram" will blow up in their faces.
The backroom deals and exceptions have already pissed off a lot of initial supporters of the bill.
One party in charge isn't really the issue for me. I'd just like to see voters react strongly to all of the utter crap that is taking over politics.
The backroom deals and exceptions have already pissed off a lot of initial supporters of the bill.
One party in charge isn't really the issue for me. I'd just like to see voters react strongly to all of the utter crap that is taking over politics.
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BeachSiO2
Beach Fanatic
That's what I thought, too. But, it's the confirmation of the winner that is in question. I am hearing it will take weeks....it's going to be challenged on both sides regardless of how the vote looks tomorrow evening. So, will the appointed Senator be allowed to vote in a case where we can't confirm the new Senator?
I am not disagreeing about the timing, I believe it is the definition of "qualified" also that is the issue. I would take qualified to mean "certified" by the state of Massachusetts, and in that case it would take until around the end of the month for all precincts to submit their final election counts that include absentee and military voters. I don't see how Brown can be immediately "qualified" without the precincts having the ability to report all their absentee votes. Maybe it will come down to the percentage that Brown wins by. I believe the case could be made that until all the votes were counted and reported by each precinct then you don't know the winner. Who knows though it could be Florida Part Duh. Supreme Court here we come...
I think we are looking at Supreme Court Part Two if they try to cram through a health care bill in the Senate. If the House accepts the Senate bill as is, that is the only way it will happen without making the Dems look really bad.
BeachSiO2
Beach Fanatic
Agreed.
scooterbug44
SoWal Expert
Yeah - which is why I think they are overreaching with the national implications of this race.
30ashopper
SoWal Insider
A lot of local politics are playing a roll - corruption in the democrat lead congress, an unpopular democrat governor, cost issues with the state's universal care, etc.. Plus a really bad democrat for a candidate and a pending healthcare bill at the national level that's incredibly unpopular in the state. But still, it's MA - this will be a true upset if Brown wins. All in all, I have to say its been fascinating to watch, I do love American politics, pretty amazing stuff.
30A Skunkape
Skunky
A contest like this is a godsend for those of us who love to watch the various camps spin-spin-spin. I am looking forward to the results shows tonight
