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They are claiming that is not TARP related, but you can't put lipstick on a pig. However, although small business is the crux of our economy, would you personally feel comfortable with our government handing out money to make potentially risky loans without any form of being able to get that money back? What they could have done was increased the program to the SBA instead where, it's my understanding, that the loans are guaranteed up to 90%. However, as I stated above, the statistics show many existing business owners will not go to the SBA, but will be more inclined to go to community Banks. I do not have default figures on SBA loans, but they are being utilized, but those loans are not easy to get. Also, it was suggested by Obama to go the SBA route and increase the loan size and include commercial loans, but Nydia Vasquez balked at that claiming " "With loan defaults on the rise, we should not base our strategy on increasing the size of the least stable SBA lending program," Velazquez said. "SBA Express has acted as nothing more than a giveaway to Big Banks and expanding it will neither further economic recovery, nor create new jobs." But she wants to go the "no, this is not TARP route". :roll:

Frankly, I think it was brilliant to make her Chairwoman of the House Committee on Small Business, since she has NEVER owned a business; unless you call frequenting bodega's in Queens business experience. :sarc:

I do not think this Bill will pass muster with the Senate and the revised Bill will most likely include other incentives, like making the gains on small-business stock acquired through next year tax-free, limiting penalties for violating tax shelter rules and increasing the deduction for start-up expenses to $20,000.

I guess my question to business owners would be: If you got a large tax deduction, would you use it to hire more employees? or what would you do with the money to increase your business so you could? or is the reality of a tax decrease that it will just go back into the owners pocket for a rainy day or buy more umbrellas for rainy days?


I've been in business for 30 years and have always used every opportunity to invest back in my business - whether it be employees, property, plant, equipment etc. My father was a great businessman who always used to say "take care of your horse and your horse will take care of you".
 
Andy Grove: How to Make an American Job Before It's Too Late

Bloomberg has an article by Andy Grove called "How to Make an American Job Before It's Too Late".

Andy used to run a company called Intel, So he is a big business, multi-national kind of guy. Yet his article is all about how we shouldn't be sending our manufacturing jobs overseas. He sees this as a threat to our existence. Andy is actually a first generation immigrant. He and his family came legally to America from Hungary in the 50's and he has experienced the "American Dream".

Towards the end of the article, he proposes placing a tax on offshored labor. This of course flies in the face of many economists, one-world politicians and their shareholders (donors) but it is an interesting position for an immigrant with multi-national experience to propose. (As an aside, I believe we should apply a 'competition' tax on any foreign imports created under rules less stringent than those of our labor, safety, environmental, financial, etc.. rules.)


Some quotes from the article (Any bolding is my emphasis):

Bay Area unemployment is even higher than the 9.7 percent national average. Clearly, the great Silicon Valley innovation machine hasn?t been creating many jobs of late -- unless you are counting Asia, where American technology companies have been adding jobs like mad for years.

The underlying problem isn?t simply lower Asian costs. It?s our own misplaced faith in the power of startups to create U.S. jobs. Americans love the idea of the guys in the garage inventing something that changes the world. New York Times columnist Thomas L. Friedman recently encapsulated this view in a piece called ?Start-Ups, Not Bailouts.? His argument: Let tired old companies that do commodity manufacturing die if they have to. If Washington really wants to create jobs, he wrote, it should back startups.

Mythical Moment

Friedman is wrong. Startups are a wonderful thing, but they cannot by themselves increase tech employment. Equally important is what comes after that mythical moment of creation in the garage, as technology goes from prototype to mass production. This is the phase where companies scale up. They work out design details, figure out how to make things affordably, build factories, and hire people by the thousands. Scaling is hard work but necessary to make innovation matter.

The scaling process is no longer happening in the U.S. And as long as that?s the case, plowing capital into young companies that build their factories elsewhere will continue to yield a bad return in terms of American jobs.

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As time passed, wages and health-care costs rose in the U.S., and China opened up. American companies discovered they could have their manufacturing and even their engineering done cheaper overseas. When they did so, margins improved. Management was happy, and so were stockholders. Growth continued, even more profitably. But the job machine began sputtering.

U.S. Versus China

Today, manufacturing employment in the U.S. computer industry is about 166,000 -- lower than it was before the first personal computer, the MITS Altair 2800, was assembled in 1975. Meanwhile, a very effective computer-manufacturing industry has emerged in Asia, employing about 1.5 million workers -- factory employees, engineers and managers.
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Tragic Mistake

Should we wait and not act on the basis of early indicators? I think that would be a tragic mistake because the only chance we have to reverse the deterioration is if we act early and decisively.

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Making the same calculations for a number of Silicon Valley companies shows that the cost of creating U.S. jobs grew from a few thousand dollars per position in the early years to $100,000 today. The obvious reason: Companies simply hire fewer employees as more work is done by outside contractors, usually in Asia.

Alternative Energy

The job-machine breakdown isn?t just in computers.
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Last year, I decided to do my bit for energy conservation and set out to equip my house with solar power. My wife and I talked with four local solar firms. As part of our due diligence, I checked where they get their photovoltaic panels -- the key part of the system. All the panels they use come from China.

Advanced Batteries

There?s more at stake than exported jobs. With some technologies, both scaling and innovation take place overseas. Such is the case with advanced batteries. It has taken years and many false starts, but finally we are about to witness mass- produced electric cars and trucks. They all rely on lithium-ion batteries. What microprocessors are to computing, batteries are to electric vehicles. Unlike with microprocessors, the U.S. share of lithium-ion battery production is tiny.

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Offshore Production

Consider this passage by Princeton University economist Alan S. Blinder: ?The TV manufacturing industry really started here, and at one point employed many workers. But as TV sets became ?just a commodity,? their production moved offshore to locations with much lower wages. And nowadays the number of television sets manufactured in the U.S. is zero. A failure? No, a success.?

I disagree. Not only did we lose an untold number of jobs, we broke the chain of experience that is so important in technological evolution. As happened with batteries, abandoning today?s ?commodity? manufacturing can lock you out of tomorrow?s emerging industry.

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No. 1 Objective

Such evidence stares at us from the performance of several Asian countries in the past few decades. These countries seem to understand that job creation must be the No. 1 objective of state economic policy. The government plays a strategic role in setting the priorities and arraying the forces and organization necessary to achieve this goal.

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Job-Centric Economy

How do we turn such Asian experience into intelligent action here and now? Long term, we need a job-centric economic theory -- and job-centric political leadership -- to guide our plans and actions. In the meantime, consider some basic thoughts from a onetime factory guy.

Financial Incentives

The first task is to rebuild our industrial commons. We should develop a system of financial incentives: Levy an extra tax on the product of offshored labor. (If the result is a trade war, treat it like other wars -- fight to win.)
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Unemployment is corrosive. If what I?m suggesting sounds protectionist, so be it.
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Choice Is Simple

Every day, that Palo Alto restaurant where I met the Chinese venture capitalists is full of technology executives and entrepreneurs. Many of them are my friends. I understand the technological challenges they face, along with the financial pressure they are under from directors and shareholders. Can we expect them to take on yet another assignment, to work on behalf of a loosely defined community of companies, employees, and employees yet to be hired? To do so is undoubtedly naive. Yet the imperative for change is real and the choice is simple. If we want to remain a leading economy, we change on our own, or change will continue to be forced upon us.
 
Laffer's vaunted supply side economics has questionable record at best.

Under Reagan and Bush2 it succeeded mightily in raising federal deficits.

Remember Reagan backed away from supply side economics, his SS tax increase was by the largest peacetime tax increase in history. I remember it well because I had a lot of seasonal workers...and paid more taxes.

Reagan also raised gasoline taxes and estate taxes because he was a pragmatist, I guess. But he definitely increased taxes.

Bush2's tax plan HAD to expire in 2010 - the option was soaring deficits that why it was written with a sunset provision.

Of course, we may have nothing to worry about Vice President Cheney said that "deficits don't matter".
Only one man's opinion, Buz. You are certainly entitled to yours.
 
Why is raising the estate tax such a bad thing? It is rather easy to legally transfer assets and property to the next generation through gifts, taking advantage of tax benefits, trusts etc - if you plan long term.

I do think that small businesses are struggling because it is damn expensive to have employees, let alone give them benefits.

But how do we change that w/o adding to our debts and deficits?
 
So one and half years out post the largest federal spending spree in our history encompassing nearly two trillion in added federal debt, a plan the democrats have promised is "working". Yet, last month the United States economy lost 125 thousand jobs, a rather depressing number. (Better though than if you include the magical number of employees the federal government dropped from the books - 600 thousand, who are apparently no longer considered seeking employment.)

Time for some more change me thinks. This Keynesian experiment is over, and it has failed miserably.
 
We all are.

It is not an opinion that Reagan raised taxes...it's a fact.
I'm not going to argue with you. Different time, different place and different circumstances. I imagine you were still in high school.:D
 
I'm not going to argue with you. Different time, different place and different circumstances. I imagine you were still in high school.:D

Thank you very much. I am glad that I look younger than my age...clean living :lol:.

Actually I was running two small businesses during the Reagan years

But there is nothing to argue.

It is a fact that Reagan raised taxes (in the case of employment taxes it was pretty signifigant) and I am glad you agree with me.
 
Thank you very much. I am glad that I look younger than my age...clean living :lol:.

Actually I was running two small businesses during the Reagan years

But there is nothing to argue.

It is a fact that Reagan raised taxes (in the case of employment taxes it was pretty signifigant) and I am glad you agree with me.
I am not sure I totally agree with you but you are the financial genius, not me. I just happened to luck out by associating and listening to people who had more expertise in a certain field than I did and totally ignoring those with whom I didn't agree or were just plain stupid.;-)
 
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