The Inconsistency in the Tea Party

[30ashopper]

means test social security, raise retirement dates, higher income tax, take away health care from the insurance cartel, don't start wars, decent job/ wage requires wits, not exclusively education

- Split tax revenue from social security and medicare / medicaid / obamacare off into separate treasury accounts isolating them from the general revenue fund.

- Pass a law preventing congress from borrowing from these accounts.

- Give both organizations autonomy in balancing benefits based on revenue available.

- Write off all intergovernmental debt in these programs.

- Convert all remaining mandatory expenditures left in the federal budget to descretionary.

- Pass a Constitutional balanced budget amendment.

 

[Andy A]

A good first step would be to roll spending back to 2008 numbers. A second good step would be to repeal Obamacare. A third good step would be to begin selling off the equity stakes the government holds in the auto compainies and banks.
Then we can begin the necessary work on saving Social Security, reforming healthcare and overhauling the tax system.

IW, they won't listen. They are only interested in ideological rhetoric, not solutions that don't met their ideals.

 

[30ashopper]

A good first step would be to roll spending back to 2008 numbers. A second good step would be to repeal Obamacare. A third good step would be to begin selling off the equity stakes the government holds in the auto compainies and banks.
Then we can begin the necessary work on saving Social Security, reforming healthcare and overhauling the tax system.

600 billion annual saved right there. But how do you deal with unemployment?

 

[Geo]

Andy, who is they? We want the same things. Pls meet me back at reasonable.

We agree we need to cut spending. We need to compromise as far as what is cut. We want defense spending cut. We want tax cuts for the richest to go away. You want to cut entitlements and healthcare. I can assure u we can work together and find areas within each of these domains where there is big money on the table. Shopper presents some good ideas.

 

[Matt J]

- Split tax revenue from social security and medicare / medicaid / obamacare off into separate treasury accounts isolating them from the general revenue fund.

- Pass a law preventing congress from borrowing from these accounts.

- Give both organizations autonomy in balancing benefits based on revenue available.

- Write off all intergovernmental debt in these programs.

- Convert all remaining mandatory expenditures left in the federal budget to descretionary.

- Pass a Constitutional balanced budget amendment.

That won't work, they just repeal it or pass a law over riding it. The only way to truly stop Congress is with Amendments. Unfortunately those take time.

 

[30ashopper]

That won't work, they just repeal it or pass a law over riding it. The only way to truly stop Congress is with Amendments. Unfortunately those take time.

Maybe write it so that override requires 2/3rds vote in the senate? There would be political hell to pay if a party voted to do it.

 

[Elephant Child]

We also need the elected folks to stop campaigning long enough to actually govern.

It is no secret here that my politics lean pretty far to the liberal side of the chart--at the same time, I think our system works best with an opposition party. But, the opposition party needs to have some responsibility for governing just as the party in charge does.

The "just say no" strategy worked for the republicans to get reelected; but, what has it done for actually governing of the country?

Maybe now, that there are enough of them *, the other side will start working with them * instead of trying to do everything on their own.
* Republicans

 

[Elephant Child]

Back on point-

The thread title is The Inconsistency in the Tea Party. My main issue is that I have yet to see a TP candidate that embodies the virtues/cornerstones upon which the TP is supposedly founded/stands for...

Rand Paul, maybe? Who else?

As a non believer in the Tea Party Movement, why is it that some of you feel they have to justify themselves to you all? If you don't get it...then you never will get it! , Many Americans are just fed up with their government, their leaders , the political parties, and the President and are willing to try and change things... that's what they want, that's what they are working for and that's what they proved at the polls...no list of names of T.P candidates will make a difference or impress you guys. All I can say, is just watch...they are not going away and they are determined to take back the America that they love and honor. it should be fun to watch so Enjoy!

 

[Matt J]

Maybe write it so that override requires 2/3rds vote in the senate? There would be political hell to pay if a party voted to do it.

No, if you truly want to make it impossible you'll need an amendment, if there's a way the will can show up at anytime.

 

[Andy A]

Andy, who is they? We want the same things. Pls meet me back at reasonable.

We agree we need to cut spending. We need to compromise as far as what is cut. We want defense spending cut. We want tax cuts for the richest to go away. You want to cut entitlements and healthcare. I can assure u we can work together and find areas within each of these domains where there is big money on the table. Shopper presents some good ideas.

I am sorry, Geo, but there are some posters who are not interested in any solutions that don't meet their criteria. They are only interested in senseless blather. You are right. 30ashopper has some good ideas in his post and along comes SWGB who says they won't work and we need Amendments instead. Yes, Amendments would be better but as SWGB says they take time. So why don't we try legislation since that is why we send elected representatives to D.C. You have hit on exactly what is wrong with our country and SoWal, to a great extent, is a microcosm of it. There is little or no compromise. SWGB, asked if I favored military cuts. The answer was yes. You want the wealthy to pay more taxes. The top 5% already pay 95% of them, or close to it. When are we going to get an income tax system where everyone pays something on what they earn? I am for almost anything that cuts federal government down to a smaller size. As for the military, if I had my way, we would bring every troop in all 177 nations home tomorrow, cut all foreign aid to those who are not our friends and stop meddling in other countries affairs. Isolationistic? Yes. I was a strong supporter of the Marshall Plan, the UN and foreign aid in general in the past but those days are over. You are absolutely correct when you state there are areas in which we can agree. Unfortunately, many, many don't want to go there. They are more interested in knocking the Tea Party movement, something they really know nothing about.