FSU and Koch donation w/strings attached

[LuciferSam]

The whole liberal Koch witch hunt reminds me of the birther movement.

You supported the birther movement, didn't you?

 

[LuciferSam]

As usual the liberal media did not get the story right. Suprise, suprise.

So is this not true?

The contract specifies that an advisory committee appointed by Koch decides which candidates should be considered. The foundation can also withdraw its funding if it's not happy with the faculty's choice or if the hires don't meet "objectives" set by Koch during annual evaluations.

 

[GoodWitch58]

http://registrar.fsu.edu/bulletin/archive/2002_2003/colleges/social_sciences.htm

I am sure that Dr. Bellamy feels pretty strongly about this for many reasons; not the least of which is the fact that the building in which the Economics Department now resides is named for his father...who distinguished himself in many ways while he was part of Florida State. It used to be that donating money to a University and having the University respond by naming a building or an area for the donor was an honorable thing. From what I've read and what I know, Dr. Bellamy gave much to the University-- because it was something he wanted to do--he did not expect to have "veto" rights over how the faculty and the administration ran their academic programs. Quite the opposite in fact!

Raymond F. Bellamy, after whom the Bellamy Building was named, was the first person to teach courses in sociology in the state of Florida. He was a leading figure in the progress of academic freedom in the state. The Florida State University also was the site of the classic study of democratic values by the late James M. Prothro and the late Charles Grigg of the faculties of political science and sociology, respectively; in the late 1950s they established the modern study of democracy in the United States. One of the University's first Nobel Prize nominees, James Buchanan, was a member of the faculty in economics. Some of the leading women in academic life helped establish social sciences at the University. These include Marian D. Irish and Daisy Parker Flory. The college has provided officers of the University, such as the President, the Provost and Vice President for Academic Affairs, and the Dean of the Faculties; the former Chancellor of the State University System had her faculty appointment in the college.

 

[30ashopper]

http://registrar.fsu.edu/bulletin/archive/2002_2003/colleges/social_sciences.htm

I am sure that Dr. Bellamy feels pretty strongly about this for many reasons; not the least of which is the fact that the building in which the Economics Department now resides is named for his father...who distinguished himself in many ways while he was part of Florida State. It used to be that donating money to a University and having the University respond by naming a building or an area for the donor was an honorable thing. From what I've read and what I know, Dr. Bellamy gave much to the University-- because it was something he wanted to do--he did not expect to have "veto" rights over how the faculty and the administration ran their academic programs. Quite the opposite in fact!

Goodwitch, according to all the articles and quotes from people "in the know" at FSU, nobody has veto rights over faculty decisions at the school of economics. The whole deal is optional and the scholars who were hired were chosen by the school. This is why I brought up the birther comparison, I think you're trying to build a mountain out of mole hill. Stop demonizing people who are simply trying to improve our education system. There's nothing wrong with promoting a school of thought at a university - heck learning all aspects of a particular subject (even those you might think you disagree with) is the whole point of going to college!

 

[LuciferSam]

Goodwitch, according to all the articles and quotes from people "in the know" at FSU, nobody has veto rights over faculty decisions at the school of economics. The whole deal is optional and the scholars who were hired were chosen by the school. This is why I brought up the birther comparison, I think you're trying to build a mountain out of mole hill. Stop demonizing people who are simply trying to improve our education system. There's nothing wrong with promoting a school of thought at a university - heck learning all aspects of a particular subject (even those you might think you disagree with) is the whole point of going to college!

There is no birther analogy. This is an issue of ethics. I realize that word doesn't translate into Libertarianese.

 

[beachmouse]

http://www.tampabay.com/news/busine...ns-at-florida-state-university-raises/1168680

Would the opinion of chairman of the economics department at FSU sufficiently calm your curiosity?

Definitely not. One person in a faculty body of hundreds is not sufficient sample size to determine faculty approval or disproval of the matter. And you dishonestly tried to imply some sort of consensus when that same article clearly states that "the issue revived last week when two FSU professors — one retired, one active — criticized the contract in the Tallahassee Democrat as an affront to academic freedom."

 

[30ashopper]

Definitely not. One person in a faculty body of hundreds is not sufficient sample size to determine faculty approval or disproval of the matter. And you dishonestly tried to imply some sort of consensus when that same article clearly states that "the issue revived last week when two FSU professors — one retired, one active — criticized the contract in the Tallahassee Democrat as an affront to academic freedom."

I'm guessing those two were members of the 24 out of 30 of the school's professors who do not accept the libertarian view.

 

[idlewind]

I'm guessing those two were members of the 24 out of 30 of the school's professors who do not accept the libertarian view.

Liberals love academic freedom as long as everyone toes their liberal line. But God forbid any conservatives attempt exercise that same freedom. This is simply another form of political correctness that seeks to outlaw any thought other than their orthodoxy. As Pat Buchannan notes: “Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism, a regime to punish dissent and to stigmatize social heresy as the Inquisition punished religious heresy. Its trademark is intolerance.”

A good article on the subject is:
http://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/

 

[GoodWitch58]

Goodwitch, according to all the articles and quotes from people "in the know" at FSU, nobody has veto rights over faculty decisions at the school of economics. The whole deal is optional and the scholars who were hired were chosen by the school. This is why I brought up the birther comparison, I think you're trying to build a mountain out of mole hill. Stop demonizing people who are simply trying to improve our education system. There's nothing wrong with promoting a school of thought at a university - heck learning all aspects of a particular subject (even those you might think you disagree with) is the whole point of going to college!

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Hamlet Act 3, scene 2, 222–230"

 

[GoodWitch58]

Definitely not. One person in a faculty body of hundreds is not sufficient sample size to determine faculty approval or disproval of the matter."

especially when that person is a http://fcir.org/2011/05/11/in-koch-deal-fsus-academic-integrity-questioned/

Benson, a self-described disciple of the Koch philosophy, says the arrangement guarantees a diversity of opinion on campus.

Uh, excuse me, professor. But shouldn’t making sure there’s a diversity of views in your professorial ranks be your job — and Dr. Rasmussen’s — rather than the responsibility of some big-pocketed donor?

Be concerned, ‘Noles. Be very concerned.