Obama the Oblivious

[Beach Runner]

Would someone please remind us how much better things were under the Republican'ts .

Remember when back in the 80s you could deduct the interest on your credit cards on your income tax returns? That was awesome!

 

[30a Saluki]

Saluki you sure are comical. You haters keep regurgitating the same old bull****, but you have added a new one. Two trillion for one million people? You actually believe the enrollment is over and no one else will ever again buy private health insurance?

The affordable care act doesn't regulate your health care, it regulates your health insurance and some of the worst practices of the for-profit health care industry.

The ACA offers a number of new benefits, rights and protections including provisions that let young adults stay on their plan until 26, stop insurance companies from dropping you when you are sick or if you make an honest mistake on your application, prevent against gender discrimination, stop insurance companies from making unjustified rate hikes, do away with life-time and annual limits, give you the right to a rapid appeal of insurance company decisions, expand coverage to tens of millions, subsidize health insurance costs, and require all insurers to cover people with pre-existing conditions.

Ten essential benefits including emergency care, hospitalization, prescription drugs, maternity, and newborn care must be included on all non-grandfathered plans with no annual or lifetime dollar limits.

Free preventative services including yearly check-ups, immunizations, counseling, and screenings must be included on all non-grandfathered plans at no out-of-pocket costs.

I have asked you haters this question many times and I will ask you again, exactly what was the Republican plan for healthcare for the American people? I'll even make it easier for you. What is their current plan? The only thing they have shown us is fifty votes in an attempt to take us back to the days of crappy coverage and bankruptcy due to medical bills.

For starters, here is Paul Ryan's plan. You can google countless others. If you are waiting for the lamestream media to report on Republican plans, forget it. They are too busy carrying water for the Messiah. The VA scandal SHOULD BE a vivid illustration as to what we can expect from socialized medicine. My question to you, and all of the other lefties is this: why are you comfortable relegating to a faceless, unaccountable bureaucracy control of your life, including your own health, your bank account, etc., etc.? Name one thing that the government does better and more efficiently than private enterprise.

And if Obamacare is so wonderful, why are Dems who are up for re-election distancing themselves from it? Wht did the Messiah need to tell the lie of the decade to get it to pass? How is it going to be any different from Social Security (which produces on the average, a net negative return, and is broke), and Medicare (which is broke). Obamacare will fail, then the Dems will tell us that "single payer" i.e. complete government control of healthcare is the only fix. While we are at it, why is the real unemployment rate over
12%, why was GDP a negative 2.9% in the first quarter of this year? You think maybe, just maybe, Obamacare and it's attendant regulations and taxes has anything to do with it?
Obama is not just average bad, he is historically bad, I am really looking forward to November.

http://paulryan.house.gov/healthcare/#.U7qRnvldXdk

 

[poppy]

Oh how you rightwingers amuse us Liberals. Conservatives believe if you add guns, profits, or bibles to any situation it instantly improves the quality. There are some areas where the private sector does a better job and some areas best left to the local, state, and federal government. Public and private doing what each does best. Here is a quick list of things I feel could not have been done as well if privatized or were done more efficiently before privatization.

The Military
Public health programs
Interstate highway system
National park service
FDIC
GI Bill
Rural Electrification Program
Public Libraries
Consumer Protection
FHA
Social Security
Work Safety
Anti-Discrimination
Clean water and air programs
National Weather service
Student financial aid
Food and drug safety
Funding basic science research
US Mint
Intelligence Services
Social safety net programs
Prison system

 

[Matt J]

Why is it conservatives seem to have missed every bit of civics class?

Business is business and government is government. Just because a business turns a profit doesn't mean that should be laminated over government entities to "get better results". Government's goal isn't to turn a profit, it's goal is to serve the people. Until you disconnect those two in your brain a rational argument just isn't going to happen.

 

[poppy]

Remember when back in the 80s you could deduct the interest on your credit cards on your income tax returns? That was awesome!

That ended with the Tax Reform Act of 1986 signed into law by Ronald Reagan who I believe was a Republican. It is often referred to as the second of the two "Reagan tax cuts".

 

[Leader of the Banned]

It was probably a better idea to just not have any credit card interest.

 

[Seaducer]

Why is it conservatives seem to have missed every bit of civics class?

Business is business and government is government. Just because a business turns a profit doesn't mean that should be laminated over government entities to "get better results". Government's goal isn't to turn a profit, it's goal is to serve the people. Until you disconnect those two in your brain a rational argument just isn't going to happen.

so business is accountable to customers and shareholders
and the great thing about government is unaccountability?

 

[Lake View Too]

You are putting words in his mouth, 'ducer. He's simply saying that everything isn't about business and profit.

 

[poppy]

so business is accountable to customers and shareholders
and the great thing about government is unaccountability?

"Until you disconnect those two in your brain a rational argument just isn't going to happen"

You nailed it Local.The rightwing is no longer rational.

 

[Andy A]

Seducer, you will learn it is useless to argue with the liberals on this board. They have no idea of the usage of common sense and pragmatism. They only deal in unfullfilable ideology. They like to call it "debate". It isn't.