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[Bob Wells]

Danny
Are you meaning premiums or deductibles?

 

[Danny Glidewell]

I was talking about deductibles you can say the same thing about premiums. I am not concerned with rich people who can afford quality healthcare and am not concerned with low income people who get Medicaid that pays for everything. My concern is working middle class people who are caught between a rock and a hard place.

 

[poppy]

There are plenty of conservative ideas and proposals to make healthcare better. It is the liberals who have no answers except blind defense of Obamacare. We spend more on healthcare than any other nation and have done so for years. Obamacare has not addressed the problem nor has it addressed the fact that we do not get the most bang for our buck. It does no good to have health insurance if the deductibles are so high that you cannot afford to pay them. That is what the middle class is facing.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/whats-conservative-alternative-obamacare_787491.html

http://2017project.org/2014/01/paving-way-full-repeal/#.VQUVso7F-So

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...e-obamacare-bill-flores-phil-roe-austin-scott

https://www.askheritage.org/whats-a-better-alternative-to-obamacare/

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304448204579182203093952642

I can play this game. We can do this all day.

Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said the latest proposal from Senate Finance Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and other Republicans would be one part of the conversation on replacing ObamaCare, hardly a ringing endorsement.

While multiple groups of Republicans have worked on replacement options since the passage of the Affordable Care Act in 2010, none has evolved into a bill, drawing attacks from Democrats

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...scing-around-newest-plan-to-replace-obamacare

Republicans promote these changes as increasing “choice” and “flexibility” in insurance, claiming that they will result in less federal spending and that younger adults will pay lower prices.
But each of these proposed changes would carry other consequences as well. Policies without full benefits, including “junk” plans and mini-med policies, would return to the market. The same pricing practices that reduced premiums for 25-year-olds would jack them up for 60-year-olds, putting insurance out of reach for many older Americans.
The proposal’s precise effect on the uninsured is hard to tell, but under the prevailing assumptions of most forecasting models -- including those used by the Congressional Budget Office -- the likely impact would be more people without insurance and/or much weaker financial protection, as an analysis of last year’s plan by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities suggested.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/05/republican-obamacare-replacement_n_6623364.html

But the GOP would also eliminate the existing parts of the law protecting us from insurance company practices that used to keep millions of us in the ranks of the uninsured and underinsured — and just an illness or accident away from financial ruin.

As always, though, the devil is in the details. The reality is that the GOP plan would take us back to the days when insurers could sell junk policies, charge older folks more than they can today and calculate premiums based on a person’s health status. This means that a breast cancer survivor or a diabetic or someone recovering from a heart attack — or even a young person born with a disability or congenital disease — would have to pay a fortune for decent coverage if, God forbid, they let their existing policy lapse for two months or longer.

http://billmoyers.com/2015/02/12/republican-alternative-obamacare-really-alternative/

This fact has not escaped the notice of some prominent health reform allies. “It is a huge tax increase on workers without any confidence that they will be able to afford health insurance in the future,” says Bob Kocher, a partner at venture capital firm Venrock who previously worked in the Obama administration.
It is “essentially a very large Republican tax increase,” says Ezekiel Emanuel, the Diane V.S. Levy and Robert M. Levy University Professor of Medical Ethics and Health Policy at the University of Pennsylvania and another former Obama advisor. “It’s quite clear the plan is to put a bigger burden on middle class Americans.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthew...-replacement-for-obamacare-is-a-big-tax-hike/

House Republicans will vote again Tuesday to repeal the Affordable Care Act. But despite now 56 votes, six years of debate, three elections and two Supreme Court cases, they remain no closer to agreement on what would happen next if they were to overturn the law.

http://time.com/3693630/republican-obamacare-alternative/

This weekend, a handful of Senate Republicans sketched out what they call a "plan" for fixing the mess conservatives might have created by getting the Supreme Court to gut Obamacare. It wasn't much in the way of an actual plan as two vague ideas, one of which was pretty much lifted from Obamacare. Well, now it's House Republicans'—led by their "ideal guy" Paul Ryan—turn to write an op-ed about their plan, and darned if it doesn't have some familiar elements.

We would allow parents to keep children on their plan until age 26. We would prohibit insurers from imposing lifetime limits on benefits. We would protect people with existing conditions. And we would guarantee renewability for people already enrolled in a plan. Second, help people buy coverage. Right now, those who get insurance through their employer get a lot of help from the tax code, while some people who buy insurance on their own, including potentially the millions of Americans the IRS put at risk, get no help at all. So we would offer those in the affected states a tax credit to buy insurance.


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Yes, it's Obamacare, but with a big red GOP stamp on it. Yep, that Paul Ryan, he sure is a big thinker. Oh, they throw in the usual suspects of buying insurance across state lines and tort reform and getting rid of the mandate (because they hate the mandate) but the system they are proposing is pretty much Obamacare. Of course, it's not as stable as Obamacare would be because it wouldn't have the mandate—good luck getting insurers to agree to any restrictions when they don't have a guaranteed customer base. But getting insurers to agree isn't even their first hurdle. More importantly, they have to convince their fellow Republicans that the federal government has a place in health care at all. Good luck with that one.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...amacare-replacement-idea-Steal-nbsp-Obamacare#

 

[Danny Glidewell]

So, they are working on a plan and several have ideas. Thank you for confirming this for me. Now please share with us the Democrat plan for reducing deductibles and premiums for middle class citizens. Or if liberals want to abolish the fine system imposed on those who cannot afford to purchase a bronze policy that requires $13,000 out of pocket per year for a family?

 

[Lake View Too]

Maybe we should remember that the Affordable Care Act was patterned after a program that was implemented in Massachusetts by Mitt Romney, the Republican standard bearer?? The only reason it is vilified by the right is because it has Obama's name on it. They have shown repeatedly that they will go into contortions to oppose him whether he is right or wrong.

 

[Leader of the Banned]

I think it's really funny how this thread has gone for how we are screwing over the rich to a deep concern for the middle class.

 

[Danny Glidewell]

I think it's really funny how this thread has gone for how we are screwing over the rich to a deep concern for the middle class.

The subject of the parody was rich people. However, my concerns about the affordable care act center on how it effects my friends and family who are middle class. Nothing funny about it; I am not rich and they can take care of themselves.

As far as what it was patterned after and who is responsible, that is simply gotcha stuff that people use when they do not have an answer. I really don't care where they got the idea or what Romney did or did not do. But no one has to contort much to oppose much of what the President has done.

 

[Jackalope]

This is comical! Playing the blame game and putting up links is of little comfort to everyone that is getting screwed by the ACA. If you are middle class, and I use that term loosely, you are taking a hit. Many to the pont where they can't afford healthcare and are going to get fined if your employer doesn't have to provide it. Or , I will add, if you are self employed. I personally know several people that are getting a fine or have higher rates because of this crap and none of them are rich, just the opposite. If you think this is a good thing you have money to burn, have little or no means or are on the sidelines and completely oblivious to reality. Attack my post all you want. I'm just putting reality out there. Making it a polarizing left/right issue is rediculous.

 

[Leader of the Banned]

This is comical! Playing the blame game and putting up links is of little comfort to everyone that is getting screwed by the ACA. If you are middle class, and I use that term loosely, you are taking a hit. Many to the pont where they can't afford healthcare and are going to get fined if your employer doesn't have to provide it. Or , I will add, if you are self employed. I personally know several people that are getting a fine or have higher rates because of this crap and none of them are rich, just the opposite. If you think this is a good thing you have money to burn, have little or no means or are on the sidelines and completely oblivious to reality. Attack my post all you want. I'm just putting reality out there. Making it a polarizing left/right issue is rediculous.

This thread started with someone putting up a really asinine link, so I agree with you on that point.

 

[Jackalope]

The link was a parady of sorts,not literal, so I get that. You don't have to agree that people are hurting over this for it to be true. There's a lot of folks that are hung up on the political or whats popular side of the issue. I get it.