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[Lou Deman]

I too am tired of hearing about the fear of Socialism. What do you think is going to happen with social programs...will you choke to death before you will share what you earned with someone you deem undeserving?

Keyrice, there already are communities where citizens are exempt from paying school taxes because they don't have kids in school ... is that what you want? A country of "It's not my job, man." We all benefit when we all thrive, even cue tips like me with no kids in school can appreciate a community where I help subsidize the schools thru taxes and the young go on to good jobs or college and stay in or return to the community to maintain and improve it.

I've said many times on this forum, as Einnadica did before he passed, introducing new and or expanding existing social programs is not an undeserving me taking $50 from the $100 in your pocket so we both have an even amount of money, it's about the health and welfare of people and the communities in which we live. Socialism with or without the capital letter includes police, fire and enforcement activities; schools and school-sponsored programs in the arts and athletics; maintained roads, bridges, traffic lights, waterways, electric grids, parks, recreational opps; ambulance and early warning/emergency management services; services for people with challenges including correctional institutions, public hospitals, blind and deaf services, 9-1-1... I, and I know You, if you stop to think, can go on and on. Please stop disagreeing just to disagree and think about all we have and what we could and should do as humans to help other humans. Call me simple but it's curated.

Nan
Lets make sure we are not confusing Socialism with social program. No good person left or right wants to see people go without but when able bodied people sit home and collect instead of working thats when some people start pushing back. I do not know anyone against school taxes until the money is being wasted. No one is against real infrastructure improvements until you try to wrap them up with money being sent to Afghanistan for gender studies. A lot of people do not understand that there is no such thing a government funded, the government has no money that was not taken from a taxpayer and the amount of people paying taxes in this country is diminishing. There should be no such thing as welfare for people that can work. There should be workfare. You not simple you care for your fellow people which is very honorable

 

[Lou Deman]

Thanks Nan.
I gladly pay school taxes because I don’t want to live in country full of illiterates.
I will gladly pay increased taxes to fund universal healthcare so I live in country full of healthy citizens.
Having two grandchildren with type 1 diabetes I also don’t want to live in a country where people ration their insulin to make ends meet. This isn’t sustainable and sounds un-American.
In Lou’s world if a person lost their home due to medical bills they would also lose their right to vote.
This also sounds un-American.
No, it is un-American.

Man you took that to the extreme immediately, stay left my friend

 

[PoppaJ]

Man you took that to the extreme immediately, stay left my friend

Healthy and educated citizens = extreme left.
We need another Eisenhower, you fascists are trying to give us another Milošević.

 

[PoppaJ]

Nan
Lets make sure we are not confusing Socialism with social program. No good person left or right wants to see people go without but when able bodied people sit home and collect instead of working thats when some people start pushing back. I do not know anyone against school taxes until the money is being wasted. No one is against real infrastructure improvements until you try to wrap them up with money being sent to Afghanistan for gender studies. A lot of people do not understand that there is no such thing a government funded, the government has no money that was not taken from a taxpayer and the amount of people paying taxes in this country is diminishing. There should be no such thing as welfare for people that can work. There should be workfare. You not simple you care for your fellow people which is very honorable

I’ve read this twice and it still makes no sense.
Seriously, are you suffering dementia? If you are I will back off and proceed with caution.

 

[Lou Deman]

I’ve read this twice and it still makes no sense.
Seriously, are you suffering dementia? If you are I will back off and proceed with caution.

Which part confuses you? The personal accountability, wasteful spending, or taxpayers being tired of supporting able body people that are too lazy to work. These are all complicated concepts

 

[PoppaJ]

Which part confuses you? The personal accountability, wasteful spending, or taxpayers being tired of supporting able body people that are too lazy to work. These are all complicated concepts

The part where you expect to be taken serious when you say you don’t like socialism, but really do when you relabel it social program.
The part where you say the government has no money yet we are a self governing republic. The government is us, we are the government. We all know where the money comes from you weren’t enlightening anyone.
And this,

“You not simple you care for your fellow people which is very honorable”

No idea wtf you’re trying say.

Oh, and the other post where you claim ignorance you didn’t alter it.

 

[Matt J]

Lou if you truly don't like taxes, gloriously enshrined in our infallible constitution, then I'd suggest you take the advice I'm sure you've yelled at someone different:

Love it or leave it.

 

[Leader of the Banned]

The part where you expect to be taken serious when you say you don’t like socialism, but really do when you relabel it social program.
The part where you say the government has no money yet we are a self governing republic. The government is us, we are the government. We all know where the money comes from you weren’t enlightening anyone.
And this,

“You not simple you care for your fellow people which is very honorable”

No idea wtf you’re trying say.

Oh, and the other post where you claim ignorance you didn’t alter it.

I'm still trying to figure this one out: "Now I am not saying there wasn't an element there that did not have bad intentions but there are extremist on both sides of the isle."

I don't think it means what he thinks it means, but does it??

 

[Bob Wells]

Most folks on here are pretty consistent in their beliefs. I also recognize that overtime those beliefs can change. Some transform a whole lot faster than expected.

 

[mputnal]

Nan
Lets make sure we are not confusing Socialism with social program. No good person left or right wants to see people go without but when able bodied people sit home and collect instead of working thats when some people start pushing back. I do not know anyone against school taxes until the money is being wasted. No one is against real infrastructure improvements until you try to wrap them up with money being sent to Afghanistan for gender studies. A lot of people do not understand that there is no such thing a government funded, the government has no money that was not taken from a taxpayer and the amount of people paying taxes in this country is diminishing. There should be no such thing as welfare for people that can work. There should be workfare. You not simple you care for your fellow people which is very honorable

Lou, if you do not want to lose credibility then you need to stop using your anger to generalize into a hypocritical rant against our social programs that are in fact socialism policies. To use your logic again I do not think I hear anyone on the left saying they want our entire government to operate on pure socialism. What you are really complaining about is that you can't find workers willing to work for minimum wage any more so just be honest. If you want workers pay them a living wage. If you do not want your money wasted then get involved in your local school districts. Arm chair quarterbacking is a lazy man's game. If you want Congress to stop putting in a lot of pork into these huge spending packages then again call your congressmen. Stop blaming government if you are not going to be involved in the process. I can tell you voting is NOT enough because politicians say one thing and do another sometimes. You and I need to be accountable and hold our representatives accountable. You are just being complacent if you think you can hire a man like trump to hold anyone's feet to the fire because his character is at the very least poor if not worse.