13,000 protest Governor's plan to change collective bargaining for public employees

[AndrewG]

Nothing worse than watching grownups act like babies.

 

[30ashopper]

Nothing worse than watching grownups act like babies.

Democrats aren't known for their ability to involve themselves in adult conversations. It?s always more of an emotional response. :roll:

 

[LuciferSam]

The bill was up for debate for over three weeks. The democrats were AWOL for the entire time. Debate involves two parties being present. Your party bowed out of the discussion, so your party lost. Who's fault is that? The party that was there waiting?

Tthe end result of the bill would have been no different if the Democrats had been present. There would have been no discussion. It would have immediately gone to a vote under the false premises of trying to balance the Wisconsin budget. The republicans left no room for discussion or negotiation. By fleeing the state and not simply rolling over, the democrats forced national discussion and forced the whole country to see the ulterior motives of the republicans.

 

[30ashopper]

Tthe end result of the bill would have been no different if the Democrats had been present. There would have been no discussion.

Democracy is not a hostage you hold until you get your way.

 

[beachmouse]

But American democracy has traditionally had a strong respect for the rights of ideological minorities and minority parties. And this has totally vanished from polite American society in the past year.

 

[GoodWitch58]

But American democracy has traditionally had a strong respect for the rights of ideological minorities and minority parties. And this has totally vanished from polite American society in the past year.

I agree. I think this is the most serious crisis we have right now. When those who are elected to govern, continue instead, to push ideology to the detriment of society, it is a crisis.

I find it hard to believe that decent citizens who have conservative views, really want to see what is happening to our education system; to our public servants; and to our environment, our elderly, our retired citizens and the middle class in general.

What I don't understand is why the above portion of our society has become the enemy of the right--and why many, otherwise reasonable people, are going along with it.

 

[AndrewG]

They have organized and negotiated far better terms than can be supported. The private sector is what drives gov't spending thus gov't jobs and salaries. If you kill private sector jobs it trickles into forcing gov't cuts.

 

[LuciferSam]

Democracy is not a hostage you hold until you get your way.

We're not a democracy, we are a constitutional republic, hence the will of the people can and should be overridden if it is in violation of basic human rights.

 

[AndrewG]

Collective Bargaining isn't a basic human right. For the love of God.

There should never be an authority that trumps the will of the people. Go start your own Country if you really believe that.

 

[30ashopper]

We're not a democracy, we are a constitutional republic, hence the will of the people can and should be overridden if it is in violation of basic human rights.

You think civil service employees in Wisconsin have a "basic human right" to collectively bully taxpayers into providing Cadillac health plans? :roll: Ok, now I see the disconnect in this discussion.