9-20-18 10:00AM mandatory vendor meeting

[FactorFiction]

Running vehicles on the beach is not the best practice. Agreed! ....but that's not the context of your post above. I could quote it but you can just scroll up.

All related to trash pick up, but was answering two different "questions". If you mean why was the County told not to pick up trash by homeowners or by their attorneys or ????

 

[L.C. Bane]

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Provided by Fred Buehler (thank you, Fred) for those asking for a review of the meeting. Really good summary:

Summary of TDC Vendor Annual Review Meeting, September 20, 2018


Brian stated that the TDC currently collects trash on about 60% of the beach and the legal department is working on language with BFOs to allow access to all beaches. That language involves saying the county won’t use historical TDC garbage collection as an argument for allowing Customary Use of their beaches. He hopes to get this issue resolved in a month or so.

 

[FactorFiction]

What other vehicles were on the beach? They are the only ones allowed on the beach (other than permitted vehicles at Grayton and Inlet). I am pretty sure it is ALL about supposed "private property" trash being picked up for years,using bed tax $$ and IS an important part of customary use. Why else would their lawyers be trying to get that wording back- doored and not in the sunshine into a "beach vendor" ordinance?

I'm passing along some reasons I have heard. I cannot explain why the entire dry sand beach was covered in tire tracks, but I can say that I witnessed it and it doesn't look like that now in areas that trucks are not traversing the beach. No, I am not talking about areas where vehicles are permitted other than those belonging to WC, TDC, WCFD, DEP and WCSO (perhaps some other official vehicles). Please note, I said some, not all owners, made the request for the reasons I shared above. Prior to HB631, if anyone asked nicely for official vehicles to avoid running on the dry sand except in emergencies, they were told that it was inconvenient to pick up trash from the street or it was easier to ride on the beach than the roads, etc. Just for the record, I don't believe that CU is dependent on anyone stopping services or posting signs or anything else since July 1. CU is either valid due to ancient recreational uses or it isn't, I suspect. I don't think it hinges one way or the other on trash pickup. I'm not an attorney, but like most people, I have an opinion.

 

[FactorFiction]

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Gotcha. I believe Brian posted elsewhere to clarify that legal is working on an agreement that says that " any agreement would include terms that current and future efforts of garbage collection would not be used as arguments" (for CU). In other words, past garbage collection is what it is. It either helps with establishing recreational CU or it doesn't. BTW, not all trash collection sites have been in existence for the same length of time as others.

 

[L.C. Bane]

Gotcha. I believe Brian posted elsewhere to clarify that legal is working on an agreement that says that " any agreement would include terms that current and future efforts of garbage collection would not be used as arguments" (for CU). In other words, past garbage collection is what it is. It either helps with establishing recreational CU or it doesn't. BTW, not all trash collection sites have been in existence for the same length of time as others.

I see. I suspect the recent events including ropes and signs going up and the call to stop trash pick up and other gnashing of teeth won't hold as much teeth as the ancient recreational use of the beach.

Be that as it may, the one thing we all agree on is that the unrestained beach vendors is a huge issue. This is the catalyst of the CU issue. I don't see why the county isn't taking a firm stance and making drastic changes. I fear the tail is wagging the dog.

 

[FactorFiction]

I see. I suspect the recent events including ropes and signs going up and the call to stop trash pick up and other gnashing of teeth won't hold as much teeth as the ancient recreational use of the beach.

Be that as it may, the one thing we all agree on is that the unrestained beach vendors is a huge issue. This is the catalyst of the CU issue. I don't see why the county isn't taking a firm stance and making drastic changes. I fear the tail is wagging the dog.

That's my perspective, but what do I know? You are so right that we all agree that beach vending needs to be reigned in. It certainly serves a purpose, but a bunch of empty chairs reserving prime beach seating when the customers aren't there is doing no one any good at all.