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Coliforms in western and eastern lakes

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The Choctawhatchee Basin Alliance does regular testing and sends out results to the media. The results are always clear except for a couple of spots after heavy rains. There are still septic tanks on Western Lake, Eastern Lake and several others. There are still septic tanks and drain fields on the beach in Gulf Trace.

I wish that Regional Utilities would wave the fee to hook up to sewer for these homes. And even give them a credit for the fee that would need to go to a plumber to perform the actual changeover from the street to the home.

I would be willing to use tax money to do it. Although I think it would be fantastic PR for Regional Utilities to cover it.

It would be great to get all of those homes connected to sewer. CBA does not test for coliforms due to the expense of the testing. That was one of the reasons Surfrider picked up the coliforms testing, and we will be sharing our data with them for use in determining future lake management issues.
 
It would be great to get all of those homes connected to sewer. CBA does not test for coliforms due to the expense of the testing. That was one of the reasons Surfrider picked up the coliforms testing, and we will be sharing our data with them for use in determining future lake management issues.

Thanks for the info. ;-)
 
I wish that Regional Utilities would wave the fee to hook up to sewer for these homes. And even give them a credit for the fee that would need to go to a plumber to perform the actual changeover from the street to the home.

I would be willing to use tax money to do it. Although I think it would be fantastic PR for Regional Utilities to cover it.


Regional offered a rebate to our street that we took advantage of...they crushed our septic tank and we got ourselves on the city system. I bet that anyone that still has a septic tank could lobby and get a special rate...especially if they lived around water.
 
Regional offered a rebate to our street that we took advantage of...they crushed our septic tank and we got ourselves on the city system. I bet that anyone that still has a septic tank could lobby and get a special rate...especially if they lived around water.

You have a good point. I think there are plenty of old holdouts. Some don't want to spend any money and don't want to take on a large hook up expense or a new monthly expense and are fine with the way things are. I can sympathize.

For some people to change, the county or state might might have to get involved. While I prefer to not have government mandates, sometimes it is necessary for the greater good.
 
You have a good point. I think there are plenty of old holdouts. Some don't want to spend any money and don't want to take on a large hook up expense or a new monthly expense and are fine with the way things are. I can sympathize.

For some people to change, the county or state might might have to get involved. While I prefer to not have government mandates, sometimes it is necessary for the greater good.

This happened in the little 'burb of Louisville where I grew up. It was like a village, some properties are 1/4 acre, some were 10 acres- no rhyme or reason to any of it. Everyone on septic, which worked fine in the days before so many appliances, washing machines running 5 times a day, dishwashers, etc. Back in the 70's there was mention of Anchorage going on sewer, and the town revolted, even though on really wet days, there was a certain "odor" about town.:lol:

Papa John Schnatter bought up all the buildings in the tiny business district, and started lobbying hard to go on sewer, since he was having to have his septic tanks pumped out several times a week. We owned property close to the business district, and the several blocks in the area were the worst as far as failed septic tanks, smell- and obstinate owners who didn't want to pay for it (even though they lived in million dollar houses). The creeks were gross, the yards were wet, and still these people refused to see the problem. We sold our land because we didn't want to build a house, install a $30k septic system, and be ordered by the health department to go on sewer the next year, plus we couldn't stand the thought of living in the midst of people who did not value their community enough to make the change to sewers. My own mother did not see a problem - her yard was dry (but was a swamp when we were all living at home:roll:).

Just as we predicted, sewers were ordered for the town center and some streets off the main drag, including ours, and my mom and brother's street. People were furious! I get being upset about the expense, but I can't imagine raw sewage, leaching lateral fields, and the smell is great for property values. Payments plans were worked out for those that wanted them. Mom has hooked up to the sewer, but gripes about it.

Septics work great if there is enough land around them, are properly installed and the right size for their house, and aren't located next to bodies of water that flood. There really should be some action to eradicate any septics around the lakes, (or any failing ones anywhere for that matter). Low cost loans, grants, something.

As far as worrying about kids getting sick in the lake, I would caution everyone to remember that kids are not getting sick at pandemic rates from swimming in the dune lakes, and are more lakely to pick up bugs at school when they are around large numbers of "germ factories". The water testing numbers aren't good, but unless there is lab proof that kids are getting sick from a particlular bacteria, I don't think we need to raise a panic- awareness is fine, but balance it with "it could have been the lake, it could have been at school".
 
Anyone who is surprised that the stagnant outfall water (full of people using it for a restroom and with septic tanks washing into it on a regular basis) has bacteria in it needs a reality check.

Our protocol is always to either quickly "wash off" the outfall or only go in it when it was open to the Gulf.
 
Awareness is the key. Our waterways are not doing so well in Florida. When do we panic? Reading back over this thread, my reply looked as if I was sure Brody's ear infection was caused by the lake. Jdarg is correct. Who really knows? Without a lab test, we can not be sure. It seems year after year I have watched our water ways decline and have recently decided to become more active and vocal about it. Below is a good quote from Sierra Club on something we can all do to help:

The Sierra Club recommends we take these five fundamental steps to reduce the use of fertilizer in order to protect our precious water resources.

  1. Incorporate Low-Impact Development into the Planning of our Ecologically Sensitive Community. Landscape design that emphasizes, drought tolerant native plants and grasses, zero fertilization, and reclaimed water for irrigation.
  2. No Fertilization During the Summer Rainy Season – June 1st – September 30th.
  3. Florida Friendly Fertilizer – If you choose to apply fertilizer to your landscape, use it only once or twice per year. Require that it include 100% controlled or time release nitrogen, contain no phosphorus, be climate appropriate, and be non-urea based.
  4. Ring of Responsibility - Minimum 25 Feet – If you choose to apply fertilizer, maintain a 25 foot ring of responsibility between any body of water or impervious surface and the area to be fertilized.
  5. Require Best Management Practices Certification for Lawn Care Professionals.
Here is another link from Surfrider Foundation.

http://www.surfrider.org/stateofthebeach/10-cn/body.asp?sub=DisturbingPicture

Its all about awareness.
 
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On Sunday 5/31/09, Surfrider Foundation took a water sample from Western Lake near the outfall. The water was FULL of swimmers, and the lake was still open and flowing a little to the gulf (not gushing like the weekend before). Here are the results:

Western Lake

Fecal coliforms/E. Coli - 0/100 ml
Enterobacter - 500/100ml
Total coliforms - 500/100 ml

As you can see from the quote below, these results are much better than last time we tested.

We will no longer sample Eastern Lake as there is no public access and parking. We attempted to park (illegally) for two minutes or less at the boardwalk to pull a water sample, and we were asked to leave. If there are other coastal dune lakes with public access, parking, and frequent use that should be tested, please let us know.

On tuesday 5/12/09 Surfrider Foundation took water samples from eastern and western lakes near the outfalls where the children play on weekends. Here are the results;


Eastern Lake

Fecal coliforms/E. Coli. - 100/100 ml
Enterobacter - 3600/100 ml
Total coliform - 3700/100 ml

Western Lake

Fecal coliforms/E. coli - 0/100 ml
Enterobacter - 2500/100 ml
Total coliform - 2500/100 ml

Water Quality Standards from Walton County Health Department:



Fecal

0-200/100 ml ? good

200-399/100 ml ? moderate

400+/100 ml ? poor





Enterococcus (not Enterobacter)

0-34/100 ml ? good

35-104/100 ml ? moderate

105 +/100 ml ? poor



Link to EPA Bacterial Water Quality Standards:



http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/beaches/local/statreptac.pdf



From EPA, Total coliforms should be less than 2400 for any one sample.
 
Thanks so much for this information, Sand Angel.

When I was little and we played in the lake or the pass at Grayton, my mom would always put a dropper-full of alcohol in our ears when we got home. We would lie down and she would do one ear and then the other, and we loved it because it felt so great when you turned over and the drops would dribble out of our ears onto the tissue we had ready.

We never had ear infections. I did this with my own kids when they played in the pass and it seemed to work.

Just a little preventive medical home-remedy you might want to try.
 
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