Enforcement for remove it or lose it?

[Matt J]

I'm not saying that some type of "move it or lose it" ordinance is a bad thing. These things can obviously get out of hand. But perhaps the reason why CE isn't enforcing it is because they couldn't possibly have enough trucks to even do it with on a holiday weekend like this. I know about the ordinance, but I couldn't tell you from where... definitely not because I've seen a sign stating it. That being the case, I can bet everything I've got in my pocket that 99% of tourists aren't going to have a clue.

Could there not be some sort of middle ground? Perhaps weekends ok to leave well grounded canopies installed past the high tide? Everything tagged with owners name and address? If it's found floating, you get fined?

Pulling that thing up is no small feat for us, whether or not you think 3 women between 4'9" and 5'3" and all under 120 pounds can handle it. We go back and forth between the house and beach all day with the kids, eat lunch, nap, shower, come back to watch the sunset, etc... I really think it's unnecessary for us to have to pull it up constantly. We're responsible beachgoers, myself and my 70yr old grandfather are property owners, and we don't leave crap all over the place. We don't block people's views, destroy the dunes, leave giant 4ft deep manholes all over the place, or bury beer bottles in the sand, which I've seen countless tourists do. I do admit that my kids have accidentally thrown sand in the wind and pissed a few people off though...

I'm going to go with my mother's logic on this one.

If you can put it up you can take it down. Quite frankly I'm surprised that someone hasn't lost it over the poor little defenseless lady routine your using to justify what seems to be plain laziness.

 

[DuneLaker]

No time is a good time to leave your stuff on the beach. A storm could whip up with little notice. And treefrog. You are so right about Eastern Lake. A call needs to be made. Include the tents, chairs and boat left for several days now on the corner of the county lot that is part of the access on the west side. The number to call is 622-0000. Pick up the phone now and call in these violations.

 

[JustaLocal]

For a period last summer, I was happy to see that "remove it or lose it" was being enforced. The beaches were cleaner and looked more inviting.

It's been months since I've seen an item either tagged or removed. Down here by Eastern Lake, we have a lot of folks staking their claim and leaving their stuff set up overnight. This appears to include the beach chair rentals, although to tell the truth, I don't know how early they arrive to set up.

So is "remove it or lose it" reduced to a few signs, or have I just missed the enforcement?

I just called code enforcement.

I'm sorry to report that there is "a legal issue" with the ordinance right now. They are not currently enforcing remove it or lose it. No estimate on when the courts will resolve this issue.

 

[NotDeadYet]

Here you go, an email repsonse from the TDC to an inquiry about the policy du jour:

"The TDC is removing items left on public beaches over night. The SO is not tagging items on private beaches as they do not feel the current ordiance allows for that. It is my understanding the BCC is currently working on updateing the exsisting beach ordiance but untill that process is done the TDC will only remove items on public beach.
Thank you,
Dave Sell"

Seems like this raises a question or two. Like, how is the TDC making a determination as to whether it is a public or private beach?
And a few more. I'm sure y'all can think of some, have at it.

 

[scooterbug44]

I love that we can't even make people pick up after themselves without the pucking lawyers getting involved.

Go ahead, leave your crap all over the beach - gonna be hard to prove it was a Scooterbug stealth mission instead of the wind or waves.

 

[JustaLocal]

Here you go, an email repsonse from the TDC to an inquiry about the policy du jour:

"The TDC is removing items left on public beaches over night. The SO is not tagging items on private beaches as they do not feel the current ordiance allows for that. It is my understanding the BCC is currently working on updateing the exsisting beach ordiance but untill that process is done the TDC will only remove items on public beach.
Thank you,
Dave Sell"

Seems like this raises a question or two. Like, how is the TDC making a determination as to whether it is a public or private beach?
And a few more. I'm sure y'all can think of some, have at it.

I hope they copy this response to code enforcement.

My guess is they will tag and remove only at the public access points. Better than nothing. How can get word to the turtles about where they will be unimpeded?

 

[BeachSiO2]

My guess is they will tag and remove only at the public access points. Better than nothing. How can get word to the turtles about where they will be unimpeded?

I would say you are 100% correct, especially after the signage they installed at all of the accesses. However, I doubt anything will be tagged, only removed.

 

[greenroomsurfer]

Any people crap left on the beach is in direct violation of The Endangered Species Act. Private beaches I think not. The State of Oregon had this problem and the judge determined that the Indians (Native Americans for you obtuse politically correct people) said that they had been using these beaches to transit from river mouth to river mouth to hunt for thousands of years and made the decision to make all Oregon beaches public because of the customary use. Just remember you don't own anything your just renting it while your alive.

 

[30A Skunkape]

I love that we can't even make people pick up after themselves without the pucking lawyers getting involved.

Go ahead, leave your crap all over the beach - gonna be hard to prove it was a Scooterbug stealth mission instead of the wind or waves.

I hear that!

 

[NoHall]

I am confused...are you saying your friends continued to leave stuff on the beach even after YOU explained the rules?

I am with y'all...the tent thing has me baffled. I think they should be banned.

Darling, I'm confused by how I'm always confusing you.

Some people have to have the car towed before they see the "No Parking" sign. You can't tell them not to park there. You can't show them the sign. They see a space and think that it was created for their convenience.

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure if there is a sign at our access about leaving stuff overnight. But as long as one person can leave one chair and find it in the same place the next morning, they will think it's okay to leave everything plus the kitchen sink on the beach until it's time to pack 'er up in the gas guzzler to go home.

People bring what they think they can conveniently bring. If they can't drive their cars on the beach to haul their cooler, boxes of sand toys, surfboards, chairs, umbrellas, tents (which make up for the inability to sit in the shade of a large vehicle,) etc., then they'll leave it there overnight. Careful before you criticize how much crap people bring if you're hauling equal amounts onto the beach in a permit-ted vehicle. Would you still bring all that stuff if you couldn't drive on the beach? :scratch:



I ask this with total beach self-righteousness. The last time I went down to the beach I didn't have a chair, book, towel, or a bottle of water--I didn't even wear shoes.