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FDEP permitting dune lake openings in SoWal

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By Rachel Kyler

The Florida Department of Environmental Protection issued a notice of intent to grant Walton County permission for the opening of three coastal dune lakes.
?I think that this is a really big issue for the county,? said Phillip Ellis, Coastal Dune Lakes Program coordinator for the Choctawhatchee Basin Alliance.
The Coastal Dune Lakes are rare bodies of water that connect to the Gulf Mexico through meandering outfalls. Generally, when the lakes reach a certain level the outfalls break open.
However, some of the outfalls have been blocked by storm debris. At different times over the last several years, the county had to pursue emergency permits to open the lakes.
In late 2002, the county began pursuing long-standing permits for the opening of Alligator, Eastern, Oyster and Western Lake after reaching mandated trigger points.
The trigger elevations are based on flooding of septic tanks and habitable structures, explained Stephanie Benedetti, Walton County permit specialist.
FDEP has 30 days to finalize the permits, which also have to be approved by the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers.
?We?re hoping the Corp isn?t going to slow anything,? Benedetti said.
The FDEP did not include Oyster Lake in the permitting process because of an ongoing legal battle with property owners who own the area surrounding the lake?s outfall. The county has easements for the three other listed lakes.
?Private property is a big headache for the county and will be a bigger headache in the future,? Ellis said.
Ellis is concerned the decision could set a precedent for management of the other coastal lakes.
?All things being equal, we want to manage those in natural conditions,? he said.
As the county moves forward, officials need to ?really look at the strategy,? including incentives for property owners or looking at purchasing some of property, Ellis said.
He explained the lakes have been around for thousands of years and anecdotal stories from the past 50 years is the only information available.
After experiences with opening Lake Powell, resident and Vice Chair of the Lake Powell Community Alliance Emily Ellis is torn about the effects of manually opening the lakes.
?It would be really nice if we could leave it to nature?s devices,? she said. ?(But) we?re at the point now we?re willing to experiment with some things.?
Developments were built on the lake during times the lake was at lower levels. Now when the lake reaches certain level, it floods the properties if it?s not opened, she said.
In 1995, permit issued to state park to open at an arbitrary level, posing some problems, Ellis said.
?Locals would dig it up on their own,? she said.
The FDEP will carefully monitor these newly permitted lakes. Benedetti said.
Their mission is twofold. In addition to preserving private structures, ?They?re making sure to protect the lakes at the same time,? she said.
 
Did this ever happen on '06?!


If so, I wasn't obvious to me. It appeared that the 06 opening was natural, although when you arrive a couple of hours after there's no way to tell for sure. However, there weren't any backhoe tracks or anything of that nature to suggest that there was help from the govt. I wouldn't expect they would just send a couple of guys with rakes...
 
Western Lake was opened last December or January (I can't rmember this early!) At the time, Bdarg was working for the engineering firm that did the permitting for it. We went over and watched the backhoe dig the little trench. I remember hearing the reason was the lake being so high and getting into septic systems.
 
The FDEP did not include Oyster Lake in the permitting process because of an ongoing legal battle with property owners who own the area surrounding the lake?s outfall. The county has easements for the three other listed lakes.
:bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:
 
How perfect. The Corps won't let your water out, and it won't STOP letting our water out!

:cuss: :trainwreck: :whack:
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If so, I wasn't obvious to me. It appeared that the 06 opening was natural, although when you arrive a couple of hours after there's no way to tell for sure. However, there weren't any backhoe tracks or anything of that nature to suggest that there was help from the govt. I wouldn't expect they would just send a couple of guys with rakes...

:rofl::floor:I want some of what your on! I love typos that turn out funny.
 
How perfect. The Corps won't let your water out, and it won't STOP letting our water out!

from Treehugger. http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/10/industries_and.php

When Governor Sonny Perdue of the US State of Georgia filed a legal complaint and then formally asked for the support of the Bush Administration to force the US Army Corps of Engineers to stop releasing water from Atlanta's Lake Lanier, perhaps he did not realize that the Corps had a duty to balance competing water demands far beyond protection under the Endangered Species Act (ESA) of 'a handful of mussels and a few sturgeon' in neighboring states. Perhaps, before his voice was trumpeted on broadcast news, blaming the ESA and the USAE for Atlanta's water crisis, the Governor's staff did not have means to discover the several water-consuming, job-producing industries on the Chattahoochee River, downstream from Atlanta. Perhaps he really didn't know about the nuclear power plant either.

We used this thing called "Google" (hoping CNN and the Governor's staff learn to give it a try) and soon discovered that Alabama's Farley Plant, a twin-reactor nuclear generating station, had recently been relicensed by the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission, to withdraw from, and discharge water to, the Chattahoochee River, not too far downstream from the Alabama State line. Check out Jasmin's recent post if you want more detail on the twin Farleys.

The re-licensing means that the Farley's have many more years of low-carbon footprint operating to come, unless there is a power outage due to low water. Wondering if the grid fed electricity from Farley makes its way back to Atlanta?

Here's a snippet from the Federal Register announcement to which we refer:

Notice is hereby given that the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (the Commission) has issued Renewed Facility Operating License Nos. NPF-2 and NPF-8 to Southern Nuclear Operating Company, Inc. (SNC or the licensee), the operator of the Joseph M. Farley Nuclear Plant (FNP), Units 1 and 2. Renewed Facility Operating License No. NPF-2 authorizes operation of FNP, Unit 1, by the licensee at reactor core power levels not in excess of 2775 megawatts thermal in accordance with the provisions of the FNP, Unit 1, renewed license and its technical specifications. Renewed Facility Operating License No. NPF-8 authorizes operation of FNP, Unit 2, by the licensee at reactor core power levels not in excess of 2775 megawatts thermal in accordance with the provisions of the FNP, Unit 2, renewed license and its technical specifications. The FNP units are Westinghouse pressurized-water nuclear reactors located in Houston County, Alabama, on the west bank of the Chattahoochee River.

There could be unseen dangers in admitting that the Federal Government has a legitimate role to play in balancing competing water-consuming and resource-protecting interests across state lines. And we all know what those are.

Rather than refer back to the several recent posts TreeHugger has done on drought impact scenarios in the Atlanta Georgia region, we direct your attention to some excellent current reporting via WALB News, "South Georgia surface water also shrinking"

Update: Per the Alabama-based Enterprise Ledger

?Atlanta [Georgia] can?t spend all summer during a drought watering their lawns and flowers and then expect someone else to bail them out. If Atlanta had done what Birmingham [Alabama] did in June, then Atlanta?s problem today would be much less severe,? said Riley.
 
from Treehugger. http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/10/industries_and.php

When Governor Sonny Perdue of the US State of Georgia filed a legal complaint and then formally asked for the support of the Bush Administration to force the US Army Corps of Engineers to stop releasing water from Atlanta's Lake Lanier, perhaps he did not realize that the Corps had a duty to balance competing water demands far beyond protection under the Endangered Species Act (ESA) of 'a handful of mussels and a few sturgeon' in neighboring states. Perhaps, before his voice was trumpeted on broadcast news, blaming the ESA and the USAE for Atlanta's water crisis, the Governor's staff did not have means to discover the several water-consuming, job-producing industries on the Chattahoochee River, downstream from Atlanta. Perhaps he really didn't know about the nuclear power plant either.

We used this thing called "Google" (hoping CNN and the Governor's staff learn to give it a try) and soon discovered that Alabama's Farley Plant, a twin-reactor nuclear generating station, had recently been relicensed by the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission, to withdraw from, and discharge water to, the Chattahoochee River, not too far downstream from the Alabama State line. Check out Jasmin's recent post if you want more detail on the twin Farleys.

The re-licensing means that the Farley's have many more years of low-carbon footprint operating to come, unless there is a power outage due to low water. Wondering if the grid fed electricity from Farley makes its way back to Atlanta?

Here's a snippet from the Federal Register announcement to which we refer:

Notice is hereby given that the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (the Commission) has issued Renewed Facility Operating License Nos. NPF-2 and NPF-8 to Southern Nuclear Operating Company, Inc. (SNC or the licensee), the operator of the Joseph M. Farley Nuclear Plant (FNP), Units 1 and 2. Renewed Facility Operating License No. NPF-2 authorizes operation of FNP, Unit 1, by the licensee at reactor core power levels not in excess of 2775 megawatts thermal in accordance with the provisions of the FNP, Unit 1, renewed license and its technical specifications. Renewed Facility Operating License No. NPF-8 authorizes operation of FNP, Unit 2, by the licensee at reactor core power levels not in excess of 2775 megawatts thermal in accordance with the provisions of the FNP, Unit 2, renewed license and its technical specifications. The FNP units are Westinghouse pressurized-water nuclear reactors located in Houston County, Alabama, on the west bank of the Chattahoochee River.

There could be unseen dangers in admitting that the Federal Government has a legitimate role to play in balancing competing water-consuming and resource-protecting interests across state lines. And we all know what those are.

Rather than refer back to the several recent posts TreeHugger has done on drought impact scenarios in the Atlanta Georgia region, we direct your attention to some excellent current reporting via WALB News, "South Georgia surface water also shrinking"

Update: Per the Alabama-based Enterprise Ledger

“Atlanta [Georgia] can’t spend all summer during a drought watering their lawns and flowers and then expect someone else to bail them out. If Atlanta had done what Birmingham [Alabama] did in June, then Atlanta’s problem today would be much less severe,” said Riley.

Hall County has been under year-round watering restrictions since early spring, and has been restricted during the summer for as long as I've been in business. Most of the counties in the northern suburbs have been restricted year-round as well. (I don't know specifically about the Atlanta counties--Fulton & Dekalb, specifically.)

I respect that Birmingham and Montgomery have restricted water use, as well, but they're not in the Chattahoochee basin. Google the cities/counties in the Chattahoochee basin--not a lot of water restriction going on there.

The stink of it is that irrigation accounts for 12-20% (depending on who you believe) of residential water use. (Flushing the toilet is about 29%, followed by washing machines.)

I said it in another thread: I respect the need to run the power plant and to save the mussels and sturgeon. But if I have to drink mud for it, I expect the people of Eastern Alabama and Apalachicola to do the same.

I'm sure I have more to say about this, but I have to go dip out the bathtub so I can flush the toilet.

Wait--I do have more to say: Hang Riley and all his jobs. I'm a frickin' landscaper. My friends in the nursery business are suffering an 85% loss of business because of this. Hall County's largest employers are the hospital and the numerous poultry plants. It takes 5 gallons of water to process one chicken. As happy as the vegans and vegetarians will be to save all those chicken lives, people will lose jobs by the tens of thousands if the restrictions tighten further. Further, I say; Purdue put some sort of industrial restriction in effect yesterday that I don't even understand.

With all due respect for you for posting an opinion, I got no use for your article.
 
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