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Fed Cuts Discount Rate by .50%

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the fed's move to cut the rate at the discount window is more bark than bite. the move gives the capital markets the perception that the fed is there for you if you begin to feel too much pain. but i for one say these folks should suffer the consequences of their actions.

additionally, I do not necessarily think that liquidity is the issue. a cut in the interest rates should not be in response to the current mortgage situation alone. if they decide to lower rates it should be in response to the economic outlook & growth. if it is determined that the current situation is going to have a significant impact on economic growth, then perhaps we should look at cutting rates.

the problem appears to me to not be liquidity but rather an inability to price assets - many of the instruments that are being traded today are relatively new & very complex (CDOs, CLOs, CMBs, etc). this inability to determine the price of an asset leads to the liquidity issues - its much like the housing market here - if you want to sell something you have to make your market, i.e. discount the price heavily; which may in effect causes the seller to receive much less $ than originally anticipated (if they can get any). so, if you are relying on these financial instruments as collateral for short term borrowing you are in a bind - b/c nobody wants to lend on them since they are unsure as to the risk, pricing, & thus required rate of return.

trouble with the collateralized instruments is information asymmetry. the investors in these obligations are so far removed from the actual loan origination that they cannot be sure exactly what they have & consequently find it difficult to define probability of default &/or risk.

so here we are today with a terribly opaque financial instrument which no one seems to have the ability to determine an appropriate price. as a consequence of an opaque financial instrument you now find it difficult to create a new CDO and borrow against it - which means you can't make more loans, which means that your revenues & cash flow needed to sustain operations takes a huge hit. this is why the rumors of bankruptcy for countrywide and other lenders exist. not from a lack of liquidity in the capital markets. plenty of $ exists in the markets - they simply don't want this type of investment anymore & have taken a "flight to quality".

corrollary to this and touching on the comments about the fed lowering rates and the impact on adjustable rate mortgages. First, many of the ARMs are not, or are only marginally, impacted by the discount rate. These mortgages are often tied to the LIBOR (London inter-bank offering rate) index or CMT (constant maturity treasury) - these rates have already been impacted by market forces. The turmoil in the CDO market has forced investors to seek quality & safety, i.e. treasury notes & bills. This effectively reduces interest rates as with all fixed income investments an inverse relationship exists between price and yield. As demand has soared for high quality, treasuries prices have risen and yields (think interest rate) have fallen. So your ARM may end up getting some help after all (not much as this point, but perhaps some).

But i have digressed far from the real underlying issue. The entire mortgage mess whether it be subprime, alt-a, or prime mortgages was largely a result of greed and a lack of accountability. A financial institution's ability to sell mortgages on the secondary market means they do not have to worry about defaults & is willing to take increased risk. Additionally, the loan officer who originates the loan is compensated by commission only and is incredibly motivated to make a loan. Finally, investors helped facilitate by providing the opportunity via the exotic and reduced doc mortgages.

the only way to determine how to rectify the situation is to see what the fallout is. Where, why, & how did we go wrong? So, I say let this happen.

For the lenders i implore them to change the compensation schemes which exist today. While in an ideal world; payment for performance (commissions) is the most appropriate and effective form of compensation. Obviously, we are not in an ideal world. If we would like to keep the secondary mortgage market as it is (or close to it) we must maintain accountability at the point of loan origination. The secondary mortgage market and collaterilized instruments provide immense benefits to homeowners, so it would be in our best interest to make them work effectively.

For the consumer - I can only stress that you know what your are getting into; read your documents, do not sign anything you are uncomfortable with or do not fully understand, be reasonably conservative in your estimations (don't assume you will be able to sell the property, or that your income will continue to rise, or that prices will always go up) & recognize that whomever is offering the "lowest rate" may not always have the best product for you. as a former mortgage banker i always despised the rate shopper - people can quote you any rate! When you shop for a mortgage do not shop for the lowest rate - shop for the loan officer which is trustworthy, honest, helpful, forthcoming, and will deliver what you expected.

so, there is my shpill for the morning. terribly sorry for the length, but I suppose I had a little too much coffee this morning & as a former mortgage banker & current banker this subject hits close to home.

please see the attached article from the wsj for a great article on this.

"be well & do good work"
 
I enjoyed reading your brief morning essay! IMHO some very good points and thoughtful reasoning being shared... I especially agree with the rate shopper comment - though a good rate is important, it is like buying a vehicle, it needs to be a win-win...you need to be able to trust the dealer/sales rep and both sides should feel good about the transaction.

In business, there is nothing better than an honest and dependable loan officer... and few things worse than one who smacks you over the head with a bunch of lies when you walk into close. It is awful when you show up and have time limitations on everything and nothing on the paper is what was discussed earlier... unfortunately, sometimes you need to go through an experience or two like that to better recognize and appreciate the great people and interactions when they occur!

AHHHHH, the beauty of growing wiser! Y'all have an excellent weekend!
 
The FED, a privately held bank that orchestrated the 1st depression (in order to establish the unconsitutional centralized banking system we now have), is in fact right on target to move into the establishment on a New World order...that said, it is important to remember Ben Franklin in days like this:

Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither!

Yep, I am a person who thinks that the Amero conspiracy is not a conspiracy at all, just a machination of the shadow government lurking behind our "elected government". :yikes:

The next few years will be interesting for sure. Shelly? Got any thoughts??

Happy Camper, you have found some interesting links! Thanks...
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Excellent post jlweathers:welcome: .

People get confused, and rightfully so regarding the Feds lowering rates, especially the difference between the discount rate and
the federal funds rate. Some people automatically assume that when the feds lower rates, especially the discount, that mortgage interest rates are lowered, and that is not always the case. It depends on economic market conditions as a whole, and like you stated is usually built in prior to the announcement based on what the market anticipates the Feds bias may be at the meetings.

For those who are not clear:
The discount rate is the interest rate banks are charged when they borrow funds overnight from the Federal Reserve.

The Federal funds rate (or what I was calling the FOMC rate) is the rate that banks charge each other for overnight loans.
By raising or lowering the fed funds target rate, the Fed does influence the level of interest rates. The biggest effect is on short-term rates, such as those charged on adjustable-rate mortgages, and credit cards as well as the rates banks pay on money-market accounts and short-term CDs.
When the Fed lowers the target fed funds rate, the rates on loans tied to short-term indexes like the one-year Treasury index typically begin to go down.
Indeed, the prime rate -- or the rate banks charge to their best customers- -- usually lowers in step with the fed funds target rate.

Many people also have equity lines tied to prime piggybacked to variable rate first mortgages which is why in order to help quell the combustion, this rate needs to be lowered in my opinion and bernanke's current move doesn't directly affect the borrowers.

As far as changing commission structures, I am in the business. I own a brokerage. Loan officers do not approve the mortgages. The Banks that I sell the loans to have final underwriting authority. Fannie mae or Freddie Mac guidelines (which included Alt A) and automated approve/ deny responses are verified via the file by the Lender prior to securitization or sale to the agencies. I frankly do not see how a LO has responsibility for what kind of paper was bought. By changing compensation structure what motivation does a LO have to bring in good low risk saleable loans?

I am not sure how long you have been out of the business, but risk based pricing via automated underwriting has been in circulation with many if not most lenders for years now, so investors had to have some idea of what they were getting into with risk modeling, but frankly, all it really took was some good old fashioned common sense underwriting to know that especially in the subprime markets, there were going to be loans that couldn't repay based on the lax guidelines, high ltvs on liar loans, and that real estate wasn't going to continue to rise indefinitely.


Your advice regarding rate shopping and looking for the best consultant for a mortgage is pure gold. I have a feeling now that the market conditions have already shook out the less competent loan officers, but interviewing your LO and asking many questions is key.
 
no question the emphasis has been on the wrong issue. the idea that they measure inflation ex food and energy is absurd. inflation in the economy is energy based....very hard to control. but flooding the economy with money will also exacerbate inflation. fed between a rock and a hard place.
Volker was in the same corner and snuffed the economy. We've been carrying the OPEC monkey now for 35 years, and it will be our undoing unless we get some true leadership on alternative fuels. I see a stagflation scenario coming.
 
the problem appears to me to not be liquidity but rather an inability to price assets - many of the instruments that are being traded today are relatively new & very complex (CDOs, CLOs, CMBs, etc). this inability to determine the price of an asset leads to the liquidity issues


I think the PHD's, MBA's, JD's, CPA's and CFO's missed the target on pricing. I have a very good friend who is retired now but I met with him about 10 years ago to sell his company on a company I was forming with the name dot.com on the end. My friend who ran a Billion dollar company said to me " Your idea sounds really creative. But I may be old school but if you cannot make money how can you stay in business.?" Well we laughed and chatted a few more hours and I jumped back into my plane and headed home. Well my partner and I laughed about his idea of making money long term. After all i was trading QCOM at 145 a share and they were bleeding red like a stuck pig. My point being cheap money made everyone get on the train. Cheap money will save this train as well as long as the conductor is on board.
 
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