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Firefighters? Anyone?
- Thread starter rapunzel
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Smiling JOe
SoWal Expert
Wow! I sincerely appreciate you sharing that.
You must be the one firefighter who is not registered with their union, since you are voting for a Democrat, have already decided on voting for Larry Jones. (sarcasm off). If you ARE a member of the union, I am glad that you are willing to think and make your own decisions. I would hope that everyone does.
I know that in group settings, surrounded by peers, individuals tend to want to fit in with the other members, and sometimes, act differently once away from that group setting of peers. So, whether or not one is in a group, doesn't mean that they fully support the group's choices, just as I was explaining that my personal choices won't and shouldn't necessarily correlate to Emerald Coast Assoc. of Realtors.
Again, thank you very much for sharing your personal choices for candidates.
BeachSiO2
Beach Fanatic
This whole discussion seems to me to have progressed well beyond the beating horse stage.
To me this all still goes back to this is one group is supporting, just like they supported Herman Walker in 2006. Based on all the angst they have received, I will be surprised if they participate in the discussion any longer. I wouldn't. I think after much discussion/banter/questioning they put up why they selected who they did? Some may not like it, some may say the process was unfair, and some may not agree (I don't on all of them). But the way I see it is that I have NEVER taken anyone's endorsement over my own and it is every citizen's responsibility to look into why they want a certain person to be or not be elected. We now know why they chose who they did and if anyone reading these posts honestly think the firefighters would have chosen anyone else then they haven't done their homework. I don't live there and could have picked their candidates in all races except for two of the fire board seats.
Do you think Osborne or Hudson would have answered their questions in a way that is better then Braunstein. I don't but if you think they would then go and do some research. Moreover, tell them why they picked the wrong person.
Do you really think that anyone would have answered better than Cooper. He was on their board!!! Don't fool yourself, and once again, if you think someone else would, tell them.
As for fire board members, I don't know enough but in the simplest form Maurice Gilbert makes sense or he probably wouldn't have been such a long standing member and chairman.
I guess my point is that the firefighters took a position on who they felt best supported their interests. They are a special interest group like all the rest, and that includes you and me. We also are trying to decide who we think would best serve our perception of the way things should be. So why are we nitpicking the results when in reality there is no other way that it would have come out (if you know the people involved).
It's up to us to take this as another piece of information and add it to all the other pieces of information to make an informed vote. I appreciate the firefighters decision and rationale for it. It does not hold any more weight than some other opinions, or my own research. Sorry I am now off my soapbox.
To me this all still goes back to this is one group is supporting, just like they supported Herman Walker in 2006. Based on all the angst they have received, I will be surprised if they participate in the discussion any longer. I wouldn't. I think after much discussion/banter/questioning they put up why they selected who they did? Some may not like it, some may say the process was unfair, and some may not agree (I don't on all of them). But the way I see it is that I have NEVER taken anyone's endorsement over my own and it is every citizen's responsibility to look into why they want a certain person to be or not be elected. We now know why they chose who they did and if anyone reading these posts honestly think the firefighters would have chosen anyone else then they haven't done their homework. I don't live there and could have picked their candidates in all races except for two of the fire board seats.
Do you think Osborne or Hudson would have answered their questions in a way that is better then Braunstein. I don't but if you think they would then go and do some research. Moreover, tell them why they picked the wrong person.
Do you really think that anyone would have answered better than Cooper. He was on their board!!! Don't fool yourself, and once again, if you think someone else would, tell them.
As for fire board members, I don't know enough but in the simplest form Maurice Gilbert makes sense or he probably wouldn't have been such a long standing member and chairman.
I guess my point is that the firefighters took a position on who they felt best supported their interests. They are a special interest group like all the rest, and that includes you and me. We also are trying to decide who we think would best serve our perception of the way things should be. So why are we nitpicking the results when in reality there is no other way that it would have come out (if you know the people involved).
It's up to us to take this as another piece of information and add it to all the other pieces of information to make an informed vote. I appreciate the firefighters decision and rationale for it. It does not hold any more weight than some other opinions, or my own research. Sorry I am now off my soapbox.
Bob Wells
Beach Fanatic
First JOe I am a longgggggg time member and proud of my association, I support the decision we have collectively made and if I had not would vote as I see fit. As far as the School candidates and Lary Jones I have had the opportunity to speak with them all in the past and have appreciated the work they perform on my behalf as elected officials. When I had the opportunity to support Herman Walker in 2006 I did for numerous reasons including the rezoning of the 5 districts which provided South Walton the opportunity to have 2 votes on the board, and he voted in favor of the CON for SWFD to provide Emergency Medical Transport if my memeory serves me correctly. Oh and in spite of our support he got spanked. This is the nature of politics, you lose some and you win some. We were also involved with Sara Commanders Race.
The Watcher
Beach Fanatic
Wtf
Mr. Oklahoma:
The "ascertained" candidate supported by the Union is the business of the Union. Equal application to any/all candidate is a mute point. The Union is answers to itself, not the public. The Union is there to protect its members from Incompetence that exists in other departments like, the Sheriff's Office (PBA/FOP).
I am not saying that the FD Union feels that way, just making the very real comparison. If our officers were rep'd by a Union they'd tell you straight out how it is there (it sucks by the way). I am not suggesting they/we unionize either, just stating opinion.
b seeing u.
Mr. Oklahoma:
The "ascertained" candidate supported by the Union is the business of the Union. Equal application to any/all candidate is a mute point. The Union is answers to itself, not the public. The Union is there to protect its members from Incompetence that exists in other departments like, the Sheriff's Office (PBA/FOP).
I am not saying that the FD Union feels that way, just making the very real comparison. If our officers were rep'd by a Union they'd tell you straight out how it is there (it sucks by the way). I am not suggesting they/we unionize either, just stating opinion.
b seeing u.
Who are you supporting for office?
The Watcher
Beach Fanatic
graytonbeachguy
Beach Fanatic
I continue to watch this thread with interest....
I can only conclude that this whole conflagration (how you like that metaphor?) is due to the fact that some are simply unhappy their candidate did not secure the endorsement of the Firefighters' Association. Just that simple.
I don't agree with all of the firefighters' choices, but some of the commentors on the endorsements have simply jumped the tracks. All I can say is that they must find the endorsement very important.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Doesn't sound like a bad group of guys to have supporting you, though.
I can only conclude that this whole conflagration (how you like that metaphor?) is due to the fact that some are simply unhappy their candidate did not secure the endorsement of the Firefighters' Association. Just that simple.
I don't agree with all of the firefighters' choices, but some of the commentors on the endorsements have simply jumped the tracks. All I can say is that they must find the endorsement very important.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Doesn't sound like a bad group of guys to have supporting you, though.
The Watcher
Beach Fanatic
'Nuff Said
Great Summary and observation. Can we end this round a 'bout and move on the the real issues of the campaign?
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Great Summary and observation. Can we end this round a 'bout and move on the the real issues of the campaign?
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