Florida & 2nd Ammendment

[ottomatik]

 

[PoppaJ]

Damn, if only the second amendment clearly stated what constitutes the right to bear arms.

 

[Leader of the Banned]

The reason is because speech is a means of communication, and the the Internet is just a medium. Media is just a method of delivering a message. So far as I can tell, the fundamental nature of messages has not changed since the beginning of time. Speech cannot hurt anyone unless it incites physical violence or is libelous. We have laws to deal with that. Otherwise, it's "sticks and stones". On the other hand, a firearm is more than just a method of delivering a projectile capable of devastating injury. Unlike the message/medium, the fundamental nature of the projectile/firearm has changed dramatically since the time our constitution was written. Furthermore, projectiles shot from a firearm are capable of inflicting real injury directly. Your comparison is either naive, or deliberately deceptive.

 

[mputnal]

My thoughts are that both words and guns hurt people. Did we not learn that from Donald Trump? The legislative branch is split on these issues. The executive branch flip flops on these issues. So that leaves us with the judicial branch which has gone a far as interpreting money to be free speech. I believe in both the 1st and 2nd Amendment. That said guns have changed a lot since the Constitution was written and we have to regulate fully automatic and maybe some semi automatic weapons. On the other hand words have not changed but the way they are distributed (delivered) has changed. There now seems to be a very fragile line between propaganda, the "news" and social media. When propaganda showed up in social media we got ourselves a new problem with words. We can simply turn off the news or not click on the social media but that seems to be very hard for humans to do. I think we have to take each problem as a case by case and regulate those that use propaganda to radicalize. Common sense is the only way to balance out the extreme positions on all matters of our Constitution.

 

[Bob Wells]

President Trump and Bump Stocks

 

[mputnal]

Do you think the extreme right forgives him for this or prays for him? When I bring it up they always deflect!

 

[Leader of the Banned]

My thoughts are that both words and guns hurt people. Did we not learn that from Donald Trump? The legislative branch is split on these issues. The executive branch flip flops on these issues. So that leaves us with the judicial branch which has gone a far as interpreting money to be free speech. I believe in both the 1st and 2nd Amendment. That said guns have changed a lot since the Constitution was written and we have to regulate fully automatic and maybe some semi automatic weapons. On the other hand words have not changed but the way they are distributed (delivered) has changed. There now seems to be a very fragile line between propaganda, the "news" and social media. When propaganda showed up in social media we got ourselves a new problem with words. We can simply turn off the news or not click on the social media but that seems to be very hard for humans to do. I think we have to take each problem as a case by case and regulate those that use propaganda to radicalize. Common sense is the only way to balance out the extreme positions on all matters of our Constitution.

Because of his position of power, I put Donald Trump's words in the category of incitement. I still have a hard time analogizing a means of communication with a class of firearm even though perhaps the Internet has amplified the intensity of dangerous inciteful rhetoric.

 

[Leader of the Banned]

Do you think the extreme right forgives him for this or prays for him? When I bring it up they always deflect!

From what I gather, not too many serious gun enthusiasts would be caught dead using a bump stock.

 

[ottomatik]

Interesting read:

The Second Amendment - Definition, Text & Rights | HISTORY

The Second Amendment, ratified in 1791, is one of 10 amendments that form the Bill of Rights. It establishes the righ...

www.history.com

 

[ottomatik]

BTW: Walton County is A 2nd Amendment Sanctuary .
Second Amendment sanctuary, also known as a gun sanctuary, is a state, county or locality in the United States that has adopted laws or resolutions that oppose, or purport to prohibit or impede, the enforcement of certain gun control measures. Proponents of such "sanctuary" laws or resolutions contend that various gun laws—such as universal background checks, high-capacity magazine bans, assault weapon bans, red flag laws–are a violation of the rights guaranteed within the Second Amendment.[1][2][3]