m1a1mg
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An argument. Jeez.
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G.O.P. Immigration Plan
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An argument. Jeez.
This administration is following in the footsteps of previous Republican Presidents on immigration. The only difference is they are choosing to go ape sh*t over it this time with threats of impeachment and lawsuits. It sounds like the Republicans are the ones who are screaming. How is giving some relief to immigrants causing me or anyone to suffer?
This a quote from the President, "Although the Congress has not addressed our broken immigration system by passing comprehensive reform legislation, my administration will continue to take every possible step to build upon the progress already made."
The presidents press secretary said, "We’re going as far as we possibly can without Congress acting."
This is a quote from the Secretary of Homeland Security , ”We had hoped that immigration reform on a comprehensive basis would give us a much wider set of tools, but until the laws change, we are enforcing the laws as they are to the utmost of our ability using every tool that we have in the tool box and we’re going to sharpen some of those tools.”
What do Conservatives find so offensive about these remarks? It sounds as if the administration is trying to work within the law.
Edit: Republicans have jumped the shark, this is from USA TODAY,
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m1a1mg
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poppy jumped the shark. This is from Reuters. Even Dems aren't going along:
(Reuters) - Several Democratic senators are uncomfortable with President Barack Obama's decision to use executive action to make immigration reform, raising the possibility of open, bipartisan resistance to his plan.
The senators, most from conservative states, objected to Obama's unilateral approach, saying on Wednesday that they preferred Congress to take the lead with legislation. Democrats should try again to work with Republicans in Congress to set reforms in law, many said.
No Democrats went so far as to say they were ready to break with the president, but several were critical of his go-it-alone approach.
"I wish he wouldn't do it," Democratic Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia said. "I think we ought to work through this process, and with the new elections and the results of the elections, we ought to try in January to see if we can find a pathway to get something accomplished."
Republicans, who after midterm election gains will take control of the Senate in January, have uniformly condemned Obama's plan to give deportation relief to as many as 5 million undocumented immigrants. They are considering ways to resist.
Any defections in Obama's own party would make that resistance bipartisan, further isolating the president and potentially making it even more difficult to pass other items on his agenda.
If six or seven Democratic votes in the new Senate joined Republicans, they would have the 60 needed to block the executive order and force Obama into a politically embarrassing veto.
Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri said she supported comprehensive immigration reform but was concerned by Obama's plan. "I have to be honest, how this is coming about makes me uncomfortable, I think it probably makes most Missourians uncomfortable."
The Senate in June 2013 passed a sweeping, bipartisan immigration bill, but the Republican-led House of Representatives did not take it up. Obama said the Republican refusal to move on immigration was forcing his action, to be announced in a televised address on Thursday.
Democratic Senator Jon Tester of Montana said he would like to see Congress try again.
"I would prefer the Congress acted, yes," Tester said. "I think it would be great to have the House take up the Senate-passed bill …. That would be a solution to the problem."
Manchin also said he would like to see the House tackle the issue again, and "if that's not going to happen, then we've got to find another way to work this."
A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner said on Wednesday that Obama's executive action would ruin the chances of Congress acting on immigration.
Senator Angus King of Maine, an independent who caucuses with Democrats, has been supportive of immigration reform but critical of unilateral action by Obama. A spokesman for King said the senator had conveyed his position to the White House earlier this week.
Some Republican conservatives have suggested placing funding restrictions on Obama's plan in a must-pass government spending bill, which could lead to a government shutdown that Republican leaders have vowed to avoid. Other approaches include passing targeted bills to defund implementation of the order.
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina predicted the instinct for "political survival" would force some unhappy Democrats to join Republicans in trying to defund Obama's executive action.
"There will be some Democrats who will join the effort to limit an overreach of executive authority," Graham said.
"Some will be genuinely upset, a lot of it will be political survival, like in purple and red states," he said, referring to the colors commonly used to designate conservative-leaning and swing states.
Moderate Republican Senator Susan Collins of Maine said Obama was making "a huge mistake from both the political and policy perspective."
Asked if any Democrats agreed with her, Collins said: "I know for a fact that they do."
(Reuters) - Several Democratic senators are uncomfortable with President Barack Obama's decision to use executive action to make immigration reform, raising the possibility of open, bipartisan resistance to his plan.
The senators, most from conservative states, objected to Obama's unilateral approach, saying on Wednesday that they preferred Congress to take the lead with legislation. Democrats should try again to work with Republicans in Congress to set reforms in law, many said.
No Democrats went so far as to say they were ready to break with the president, but several were critical of his go-it-alone approach.
"I wish he wouldn't do it," Democratic Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia said. "I think we ought to work through this process, and with the new elections and the results of the elections, we ought to try in January to see if we can find a pathway to get something accomplished."
Republicans, who after midterm election gains will take control of the Senate in January, have uniformly condemned Obama's plan to give deportation relief to as many as 5 million undocumented immigrants. They are considering ways to resist.
Any defections in Obama's own party would make that resistance bipartisan, further isolating the president and potentially making it even more difficult to pass other items on his agenda.
If six or seven Democratic votes in the new Senate joined Republicans, they would have the 60 needed to block the executive order and force Obama into a politically embarrassing veto.
Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri said she supported comprehensive immigration reform but was concerned by Obama's plan. "I have to be honest, how this is coming about makes me uncomfortable, I think it probably makes most Missourians uncomfortable."
The Senate in June 2013 passed a sweeping, bipartisan immigration bill, but the Republican-led House of Representatives did not take it up. Obama said the Republican refusal to move on immigration was forcing his action, to be announced in a televised address on Thursday.
Democratic Senator Jon Tester of Montana said he would like to see Congress try again.
"I would prefer the Congress acted, yes," Tester said. "I think it would be great to have the House take up the Senate-passed bill …. That would be a solution to the problem."
Manchin also said he would like to see the House tackle the issue again, and "if that's not going to happen, then we've got to find another way to work this."
A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner said on Wednesday that Obama's executive action would ruin the chances of Congress acting on immigration.
Senator Angus King of Maine, an independent who caucuses with Democrats, has been supportive of immigration reform but critical of unilateral action by Obama. A spokesman for King said the senator had conveyed his position to the White House earlier this week.
Some Republican conservatives have suggested placing funding restrictions on Obama's plan in a must-pass government spending bill, which could lead to a government shutdown that Republican leaders have vowed to avoid. Other approaches include passing targeted bills to defund implementation of the order.
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina predicted the instinct for "political survival" would force some unhappy Democrats to join Republicans in trying to defund Obama's executive action.
"There will be some Democrats who will join the effort to limit an overreach of executive authority," Graham said.
"Some will be genuinely upset, a lot of it will be political survival, like in purple and red states," he said, referring to the colors commonly used to designate conservative-leaning and swing states.
Moderate Republican Senator Susan Collins of Maine said Obama was making "a huge mistake from both the political and policy perspective."
Asked if any Democrats agreed with her, Collins said: "I know for a fact that they do."
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I would think political expediency is the reason for a democrat to say he/she is against it. Emphasis being on the word "say".
m1a1mg
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Duh! It's all political expediency.
Like this:
[video=youtube_share;3rairAneKvQ]http://youtu.be/3rairAneKvQ[/video]
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m1a1mg
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I guess the media sycophants have tired of the President. Not showing the speech tonight.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/19/media/networks-and-obama-speech/
Even ABC is off the bandwagon:
http://youtu.be/k89NLyAj3rs
http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/19/media/networks-and-obama-speech/
Even ABC is off the bandwagon:
http://youtu.be/k89NLyAj3rs
Maybe they feel it isn't the B.F.D. the Republicans claim it is. After all it's not like it hasn't been done before. As soon as the speech is over and the country begins it's descent into chaos I'm sure they will have live coverage of the rightwing meltdown and armed rebellion that will surely follow.
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Uh oh, Megyn Kelly went off script and undermined months of claims from her network peers when she admitted to guest Jennice Fuentes that President Obama's upcoming executive action does not constitute "amnesty." Kelly acknowledged that the term is a dog whistle conservative media have exploited to stoke opposition to immigration reform. On the November 19 edition of The Kelly File, Kelly acknowledged that the president is not actually pursuing "amnesty," because "amnesty is citizenship and that's not what [Obama] is talking about." Kelly also explained how conservatives purposely misuse the word "amnesty" for political gain: "That's a hot-button term that the right uses to sort of get people upset." And we all know how easy it is to upset a Conservative.
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