Ga colleges "may" ban illegal immigrants

[hkem1]

Why are people with "prestigious engineering degrees" unable to comply with very basic rules?

We don't have the most stringent requirements for citizenship by any means.

Well this a mechanical engineering grad who was brought to the U.S. by his parents when he was 12 years old. He is illegal and after graduating he turned himself in and went back to Mexico to try to become legal.

His initial application was denied and it will be a year before he can appeal.

I just don't understand why we should be wasting his talent while his wife, who is a born U.S. citizen and kids will probably be on government assistance, when he could just work in the U.S. and pay taxes and contribute to society.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-07-29/living/arizona.immigration.oscars.story_1_magdalena-de-kino-mexican-border-towns-oscar-vazquez?_s=PM:LIVING

 

[30ashopper]

Right now many are going back to India, China, etc. but only because THEY CAN GET BETTER JOBS THERE AND SEE MORE OF A FUTURE THERE.

They used to stay here and go to work for US companies, but that is not the most attractive option now - for both economic and immigration reasons.

I disagree with this. Engineers are paid better here and the quality of living is better. The tech industry was worried about this ten years ago, it didn't turn out to be the case. We also thought we had a problem with foriegn consultants and offshored jobs. Turns out these workers don't have the skills or work ethic american workers do. The whole issue has basically been a wash for the tech industry.

 

[Bob]

That is a quote from Mike Huckabee while discussing the DREAM act. He obviously supports it and I think it is the answer to the problems put forward on this board.

I do not consider the DREAM Act amnesty and it would help good illegal immigrant children stay while the unworthy ones leave. It would require the child to have been in the U.S. since before he/she was 16 and he/she would have to spend two years in college or serve in the military. The person would also have to have NO criminal record. After completing that criteria the person would be placed on a pathway to citizenship.

Obviously this would help tremendously with military recruiting as well.

I think we are hurting our competitiveness with the rest of the world when we are deporting high school valedictorians and future engineers because their parents brought them over when they were three years old.


Mike Huckabee:

regarding criminality, i direct you to a brief history of those who settled the peach republic of georgia. free english criminals directing black slaves. can you make the leap brotherman? it's no longer black and white , but racist shades of brown.

 

[scooterbug44]

Well this a mechanical engineering grad who was brought to the U.S. by his parents when he was 12 years old. He is illegal and after graduating he turned himself in and went back to Mexico to try to become legal.

His initial application was denied and it will be a year before he can appeal.

I just don't understand why we should be wasting his talent while his wife, who is a born U.S. citizen and kids will probably be on government assistance, when he could just work in the U.S. and pay taxes and contribute to society.

Engineering grad returns to Mexico, now waits to become legal - CNN

So he came here illegally as a teen, stayed here illegally, went to school and college as an illegal, married a US citizen, had a baby, and now years later has decided he should get a social security number (which means he didn't have one and hasn't been paying taxes for years) and for some reason we won't approve his application?

This isn't some genius working on the Manhattan project, it's a guy with a bachelor's degree from a state college flip flopping across the Arizona/Mexico border as it will benefit him.

God forbid his US citizen wife get a job so the US taxpayers don't have to support her.

I disagree with this. Engineers are paid better here and the quality of living is better. The tech industry was worried about this ten years ago, it didn't turn out to be the case. We also thought we had a problem with foriegn consultants and offshored jobs. Turns out these workers don't have the skills or work ethic american workers do. The whole issue has basically been a wash for the tech industry.

There has been a big shift in the last couple of years - more are returning to India and China because they can get better jobs w/ more advancement potential and they don't have high hopes for the US economy.

The US still pays better and they like it here better, but are choosing Asia over the US.

 

[hkem1]

it's a guy with a bachelor's degree from a state college flip flopping across the Arizona/Mexico border as it will benefit him.

Oh no you're right. God forbid somebody go to a state university. OH THE HORROR.

To bad for you, 5 of the 10 best undergraduate engineering schools are...Oh no...State Universities. For the large majority of students the price of college plays just as much a role as which school it is. And the elite public schools in this country (Berkely, Michigan, UT-Austin, Virginia, UNC) offer a great education at a fraction of the price.

And guess what, a lot of times people graduate from these state schools with NO debt.

Maybe you were referring to ASU and not state schools as a whole, but that's not what you said.

And of course with scholarships, many private schools can become cheaper than state schools, but many state schools are still better.



http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-doct-engineering

 

[scooterbug44]

Your argument was that this guy is so spectacular & special that we should change our immigration policy so as not to lose his skills.

My point is that many other (legal) people can do that same job as a bachelor's degree from a state school is not exactly rare - ASU alone graduates 4,000 engineers each year.

Dunno about their undergrad program's ranking, but ASU's graduate engineering program is ranked 24th for public schools and 44th if you include private schools.

 

[hkem1]

Your argument was that this guy is so spectacular & special that we should change our immigration policy so as not to lose his skills.

My point is that many other (legal) people can do that same job as a bachelor's degree from a state school is not exactly rare - ASU alone graduates 4,000 engineers each year.

Dunno about their undergrad program's ranking, but ASU's graduate engineering program is ranked 24th for public schools and 44th if you include private schools.

Well, their undergraduate rank is 40 when you add public and private schools.

What exactly is the negative of having this guy become legal? He is going to have a decent job. He will be paying taxes. His family will not be on state assistance.

Plus, he adds competition to the workforce. Companies need more efficient, better workers right now and the more people we have competing for those jobs the better.

 

[scooterbug44]

I don't think this guy becoming legal is necessarily a bad thing - especially if that means he starts paying taxes.

It's the argument that he should be legal because of his special skills and so we don't have to keep paying to support HIS family that I take issue with.

The "we need more applicants for jobs" doesn't exactly hold water given the current unemployment rate.

 

[30ashopper]

Well, their undergraduate rank is 40 when you add public and private schools.

What exactly is the negative of having this guy become legal? He is going to have a decent job. He will be paying taxes. His family will not be on state assistance.

Plus, he adds competition to the workforce. Companies need more efficient, better workers right now and the more people we have competing for those jobs the better.

Nothing, he just needs to follow the rules like everybody else. Are you suggesting that because he did well on his SATs, he should get special treatment?

 

[hkem1]

Nothing, he just needs to follow the rules like everybody else. Are you suggesting that because he did well on his SATs, he should get special treatment?

My argument is not that he shouldn't follow the rules, he definitely should. People who don't follow the rules should be punished.

I just think the rules should be changed.