Have the terrorists achieved their aims?

[Lynnie]

Using ones own language and information is not against the rules, unlike some cut and post drive-by posters that do get called out. This poster has posted questions and not been disrespectful in their questions or answers of others. The same can't be said for everyone in this thread. Like sharks to blood.....

Some do believe that freedoms have been lost for the sake of safety and asking if others feel that way is not decisive, it's a question the poster was able to form on their own, they gave their reasoning as to why they felt that way and asked others opinions. As far as spoiling for a fight, pot meet kettle;-)

Yep, which is why I usually ignore some threads and have only recently said anything. It's his style and it's evidently acceptable; thanks for letting us know this generality of 'pushing the envelope.' Hopefully, he'll temper the verbiage and gain better discussions.....although, fights do generally break out regarding some sensitive topics......some people like pushing those buttons. ;-)

 

[futurebeachbum]

I fail to see how that falls in the category of xenophobia. Hysteria maybe. Do you have a point and is your comment relevant?

I think it exactly supported your comment that

The attacks caused some people to rationalize and verbalize their fears which are born of ignorance.

What party confuses you? Do you think her comments are not related to the attacks or are not born of fears and ignorance?

 

[LuciferSam]

I think it exactly supported your comment that


What party confuses you? Do you think her comments are not related to the attacks or are not born of fears and ignorance?

No people conjure up government conspiracies all the time and have been doing so for years. It's as if there is no stigma attached to it. The events of 9/11did little to bring that out. Animosity towards the government is ubiquitous from all parties and walks of life. I see no comparison whatsoever between what you're saying and the point I was trying to make.

 

[Koa]

I agree. I read back over some of Ugabuga's posts to see if I could find one that justified the comments and I could not.
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It wasn't so much this thread, but almost everyday, ugabuga posts some political slant thread. This one was one of his less slanted ones, but his comments are still slanted and seem intent on raising controversy.

 

[LuciferSam]

It wasn't so much this thread, but almost everyday, ugabuga posts some political slant thread. This one was one of his less slanted ones, but his comments are still slanted and seem intent on raising controversy.

This is the political board. The controversy is built in.

 

[Koa]

good point, lucifer, but if I guess I should avoid it since much of it is regurgitation of what I can see on the nightly CNN or FOX news channels.

Here's an original thought regarding the thread question: Maybe it wasn't the goal of the "terrorists" to divided the country. Maybe there goal was to kill all the non-believers.

 

[idlewind]

good point, lucifer, but if I guess I should avoid it since much of it is regurgitation of what I can see on the nightly CNN or FOX news channels.

Here's an original thought regarding the thread question: Maybe it wasn't the goal of the "terrorists" to divided the country. Maybe there goal was to kill all the non-believers.

They do not want to divide us, they want to destroy us.

 

[futurebeachbum]

No people conjure up government conspiracies all the time and have been doing so for years. It's as if there is no stigma attached to it. The events of 9/11did little to bring that out. Animosity towards the government is ubiquitous from all parties and walks of life. I see no comparison whatsoever between what you're saying and the point I was trying to make.

Well, if, as you appear to believe there has been a 'pent up' xenophobia in the nation then it isn't much different. Just as the folks with the 'pent up' xenophobia are using 9/11 as the excuse for releasing their tirades, the conspirators do as well.

I don't seem much difference. In general, weak, ill-informed (dare I say stupid) people are always looking for someone else to blame things on.

As an aside, I question that a sample size of 2 is a reasonable basis for determining that the nation has a 'pent up' xenophobia. I only had a few years of statistics in college, but I am pretty sure that sample size is too small.

This nation was founded and made great by immigrants and I would be surprised if very many people in the country truly have an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers. I think that there is a large and rapidly growing antipathy towards people who come here illegally but I don't think that 9/11 has much at all to do with that.

 

[LuciferSam]

As an aside, I question that a sample size of 2 is a reasonable basis for determining that the nation has a 'pent up' xenophobia. I only had a few years of statistics in college, but I am pretty sure that sample size is too small.

It wasn't a sample. It's an example to highlight what I'm talking about. I can't count the number of times I heard similar discussions from people who I onece even considered to be friends. They are no longer friends, and the loss is theirs.

 

[LuciferSam]

good point, lucifer, but if I guess I should avoid it since much of it is regurgitation of what I can see on the nightly CNN or FOX news channels.

Here's an original thought regarding the thread question: Maybe it wasn't the goal of the "terrorists" to divided the country. Maybe there goal was to kill all the non-believers.

If that's their goal, they have their work cut out for them. I don't think anybody is about to give up bacon, beer, gratuitous sex, masturbation, pornography etc., you know, the stuff that makes life worth living.