Health Care Law becoming more popular

[Lynnie]

Do you think I should distance the friendship, ugabuga?

Maybe he is my friend because he knows that while I don't condone some of his actions for a better way of life, I don't judge him. He usually embarrasses himself during those discussions and it goes right back to 'consistent inconsistencies.'

Plus, once you've become my friend, it's near impossible to severe that bond.

He became upset over something during the Clinton Admin and I got tired of hearing the complaints, particularly from someone who went to great strides to be here, risking permanent deportation and/or prison. I finally said that I don't think people who don't vote here should get so disjointed with us-afterall, this is a great place. 'But, Lynnie! I CAN'T vote here.'. That's his choice. We never had that discussion again.

I adore him, but do not agree with some of his decisions. Don't you have friends in which you don't always agree?

 

[ugabuga]

Do you think I should distance the friendship, ugabuga?

I adore him, but do not agree with some of his decisions. Don't you have friends in which you don't always agree?

I have friends with whom I disagree on politics & religion & sports & the like, but--maybe fortunately--I can't think of any of my friends who are actively & consistently engaged in illegal activities. I would have a hard time, I think, maintaining such friendships. It's an interesting moral question--I won't pretend to have "the answer."

 

[scooterbug44]

Are you kidding me?

By that logic drug dealers and pimps shouldn't be prosecuted because they are just trying to "get a better way of life."

Based on your post your friend:

1) entered the US illegally
2) got married specifically to subvert our immigration laws and avoid deportation
3) brought his mother into the country illegally
4) is having the taxpayers fork out $5K a month for her care
5) refuses to relinquish his British citizenship because he wants to be able to fall back on gaming that health care and welfare system
6) biatches about the government he is defrauding

And his sister-in-law is trying to hide almost a million dollars in assets to scam the British health care system. :roll:

He may be your "friend" and you may "adore him", but I feel quite differently - and I hope the INS picks up both of those "illegals" and sends them packing.

Do you have many friends like this? If so, I may have found yet another way to painlessly reduce the deficit.

 

[Lynnie]

Well, I can clarify a couple of things. He entered illegally and married for a green card long before I met him. When his illegal mother was here, she was paying for the home of about 5K/mo. His argument to her illegal status was that she was contributing to our economy. There's no way I would have reported his mother as an illegal immigrant. She had Alzheimer's and he didn't want her in England's failing healthcare environment despite it being 'free.'

Nothing can be done for those items now.

As far as the brother, nothing I can do to police Britain's issues, but knowing what I know about our social secuirty system and look back periods, I suspect they'll be caught and I have no idea how Britain handles such.

So, the consistent inconsistencies surface in thes exact situations. He believes to be a contributing, law abiding legal person here now. And, he makes judgments to the contrary.

I shared the story to point out England's system, how socialism breeds those who will try to beat the system and a perfect example of someone now legally riding the fence and ready to fall on whichever side provides a better existence. How much do you want to bet he dies here and not in England?

Sorry for the confusion and nope I am not kidding.

 

[ugabuga]

I shared the story to point out England's system, how socialism breeds those who will try to beat the system...

The story did not so much illustrate the evils of socialism, as it illustrated the evils of an individual.

It would be easy enough to tell a million different stories with the moral "How capitalism breeds those who will try to beat the system."

 

[AlphaCrab]

Even though only 2 weeks old and not perfect, our family has found the new U.S. government Healthcare website very helpful as we are now able to shop around with more choices and ablree to get better pricing, and be better educated in the process....

..go to>>www.HealthCare.gov

I will eventually benefit from not having to pay through the nose for pre existing conditions. Maybe that will mean additional monies for our retirement investments.

There are some angry, rich folks on this Board and elsewhere who will probably go to their graves calling this "ObamaCare", but most rational and sane people are coming around and seeing the merits of it. This, like Medicare, Social Security will be a total part of the total American fabric.

Affordable Healthcare is a basic human right!

Our whole family thanks you personally President Obama!

 

[Beach Runner]

It'll save us a lot of money. One more year of our daughter on our insurance policies instead of COBRA will save us more than $7000 on the COBRA premiums plus the 20% extra on each doctor bill we'd have pay if she were not covered under both of our insurance policies. Plus she'll have dental coverage for an extra year that she won't have under COBRA.

 

[Yarmap]

It'll save us a lot of money. One more year of our daughter on our insurance policies instead of COBRA will save us more than $7000 on the COBRA premiums plus the 20% extra on each doctor bill we'd have pay if she were not covered under both of our insurance policies. Plus she'll have dental coverage for an extra year that she won't have under COBRA.

Reference Post # 2

 

[ugabuga]

In spite of all the bellyaching about "socialism," the Health Insurance Reform Act actually leaves the private sector almost totally in charge of Americans' health insurance.

Its main provisions simply place restrictions on health insurance companies so that
(1) they can't refuse to insure a person w/ pre-existing conditions
(2) they can't just drop you if/when you get sick
(3) they can't raise premiums too much too fast

If private corporations are going to be our principal source of health insurance, these are good & reasonable restrictions.

The mandate that everyone has to be insured keeps folks from gaming the system by not buying health insurance unless & until they get sick.

I don't see how this is a "gov't takeover of health insurance" at all.

It seems to me like it's left almost totally in the hands of corporations.

 

[Andy A]

ugabuga, have you read the over 2000 page healtcare bill? I certainly haven't but I know at least two doctors that are not happy with it. All the things you listed could have been done much easier and more efficiently along with tort reform if Congress had used a little common sense.
My second question. Have you ever lived under universal health care? My second son was born under the British healthcare system. It was a explosive birth, at home, not with the physician who had attended my wife throughout her pregnancy because he was on vacation. My son was very lucky to survive and did not have the care he would have here in the U.S. He has had a hard time in life because he developed vision problems due probably to his birth. I want no part of a healthcare system that mirrors the British system. If we had the British system my wife would probably be dead today and I'd be a lonely old man. You had better know what you are getting before you laude it so thoroughly.