Hope and Change

[CK1]

Now that Queen Nancy has call anyone that disagrees this the Obama administration un-American, and a mob, how is all of that "hopey, changey" going for ya?

What a disaster this is truly becoming. The last time I checked this was still a FREE country and I can gather with other FREE Americans and disagree if I want.

 

[Here4Good]

Now that Queen Nancy has call anyone that disagrees this the Obama administration un-American, and a mob, how is all of that "hopey, changey" going for ya?

What a disaster this is truly becoming. The last time I checked this was still a FREE country and I can gather with other FREE Americans and disagree if I want.

I hate Pelosi, but I hate exaggeration and soundbites reduced to bumper stickers even more.

I can't find the quote right now, but I think what she said was that shouting each other down was un-American.

Please note that the president agrees with you:

"n a sign of the continuing fragmentation among fellow Democrats, President Obama's aides sought to distance the president from comments made in a USA Today op-ed piece by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer that to protest against the House health care bill is to be "un-American." "Ahead of his own town hall Tuesday, President Barack Obama sought to distance himself from charges by Democratic congressional leaders that boisterous health care dissent is "un-American," with his spokesman saying that the protests are a part of American life," Politico reported. President Obama's town hall session will take place in Portsmouth, NH, and is expected to draw protesters who are opposed to the House health care bill that Mr. Obama supports. Obama's spokesman said that the president is prepared to handle the objections - and that protest is a way of life in American politics. "I think there's actually a pretty long tradition of people shouting at politicians in America. The President thinks that if people want to come and have a spirited debate about health care, a real vigorous conversation about it, that's a part of the American tradition and he encourages that," Deputy Press Secretary Bill Burton said, according to Politico."

 

[Yarmap]

The "Chattering Class" as Sen. Shumer called them needs to learn to be respectful & quite.

As one of the posters on Sowal said "the grown-up are in charge now".

 

[30ashopper]

I hate Pelosi, but I hate exaggeration and soundbites reduced to bumper stickers even more.

I can't find the quote right now, but I think what she said was that shouting each other down was un-American.

Please note that the president agrees with you:

"n a sign of the continuing fragmentation among fellow Democrats, President Obama's aides sought to distance the president from comments made in a USA Today op-ed piece by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer that to protest against the House health care bill is to be "un-American." "Ahead of his own town hall Tuesday, President Barack Obama sought to distance himself from charges by Democratic congressional leaders that boisterous health care dissent is "un-American," with his spokesman saying that the protests are a part of American life," Politico reported. President Obama's town hall session will take place in Portsmouth, NH, and is expected to draw protesters who are opposed to the House health care bill that Mr. Obama supports. Obama's spokesman said that the president is prepared to handle the objections - and that protest is a way of life in American politics. "I think there's actually a pretty long tradition of people shouting at politicians in America. The President thinks that if people want to come and have a spirited debate about health care, a real vigorous conversation about it, that's a part of the American tradition and he encourages that," Deputy Press Secretary Bill Burton said, according to Politico."

IMHO Pelosi's health bill and public stance are the root cause of all this consternation. Comments like this only inflame the situation. If she wasn't running things in the House, reasonable healthcare reform probably would have been a lot further along by now.

I'd be willing to predict that if she and Reid get their way with the final bill, we won't get health reform. This will not reflect well on the more liberal wing of the democratic party, which she represents.

 

[Here4Good]

IMHO Pelosi's health bill and public stance are the root cause of all this consternation. Comments like this only inflame the situation. If she wasn't running things in the House, reasonable healthcare reform probably would have been a lot further along by now.

I'd be willing to predict that if she and Reid get their way with the final bill, we won't get health reform. This will not reflect well on the more liberal wing of the democratic party, which she represents.

You and I may not agree on a lot of things, but I do agree that she is the problem, and never part of the solution.

While your statement:
If she wasn't running things in the House, reasonable healthcare reform probably would have been a lot further along by now.

may not be 100% true, the debate would look NOTHING like it does now, with the ugliness and confusion.

 

[mtlinscomb]

Now that Queen Nancy has call anyone that disagrees this the Obama administration un-American, and a mob, how is all of that "hopey, changey" going for ya?

What a disaster this is truly becoming. The last time I checked this was still a FREE country and I can gather with other FREE Americans and disagree if I want.

This is new territory for the left. They thought their unions, hippies, moveon.socialists, community organizations and disciples of Soros were the only ones that knew how to stand up and yell. All we heard for the last 8 years was that it wasn't un-American to protest the Iraq war, yet some how it is un-American to protest the government takeover of our healthcare and 17% of our total economy. It is quite disgusting how all the war protesters have magically gone away now that King Zero sits in the big chair.

 

[30ashopper]

You and I may not agree on a lot of things, but I do agree that she is the problem, and never part of the solution.

While your statement:
If she wasn't running things in the House, reasonable healthcare reform probably would have been a lot further along by now.

may not be 100% true, the debate would look NOTHING like it does now, with the ugliness and confusion.

Completely agree with you on that.

 

[rapunzel]

Disciples of Soros? My goodness, this thread is laced with hatred.

Is starting from the position of an already made-up mind, and going to a town hall meeting not to learn and argue your policy positions but to disrupt and derail a meeting really in the best interest of our democracy?

The only thing the protests will accomplish is to 1) bring out the crazies from the opposite extremes of the political spectrum, and 2) end open access town halls and the average citizens opportunity to have input into the political process -- which is perfectly okay with K Street and the think tanks behind this whole movement.

Hope and Change or Pessimism and Disenfranchisement? Gosh...that's a toughy.

 

[30ashopper]

This is new territory for the left. They thought their unions, hippies, moveon.socialists, community organizations and disciples of Soros were the only ones that knew how to stand up and yell. All we heard for the last 8 years was that it wasn't un-American to protest the Iraq war, yet some how it is un-American to protest the government takeover of our healthcare and 17% of our total economy. It is quite disgusting how all the war protesters have magically gone away now that King Zero sits in the big chair.

That's the whole probelm with this thing and why people like Pelosi and all the special interests are risking this. There are bills under works that do not do this. Honestly I don't even think Pelosi's bill represents this. If we could all get past all the b.s. shenanigans and discuss what these bills actually represent, we might actually get reform we can all benefit from. I keep hearing republican talking heads refer to the "government takeover of healthcare" - that is such a b.s. scare tactic one liner. On the left I hear about the "evil" health insurance industry, un-american protests, and the supposed "introducing fair competition" line. I wish folks would stop throwing stuff like this around and really discuss the issues we have with each particular bill. There are some good ideas currently under consideration mixed with some bad. We just need to filter this suff out so we know what's under consideration.

 

[Lynnie]

Disciples of Soros? My goodness, this thread is laced with hatred.

Is starting from the position of an already made-up mind, and going to a town hall meeting not to learn and argue your policy positions but to disrupt and derail a meeting really in the best interest of our democracy?

The only thing the protests will accomplish is to 1) bring out the crazies from the opposite extremes of the political spectrum, and 2) end open access town halls and the average citizens opportunity to have input into the political process -- which is perfectly okay with K Street and the think tanks behind this whole movement.

Hope and Change or Pessimism and Disenfranchisement? Gosh...that's a toughy.

Yep. I quit this thread when I saw the word, 'hate' a few posts back.

Carry on~~~~~