Illegal Immigration legislation in Sowal

[scooterbug44]

Even if you attribute all of that $9 billion to illegals paying in (which they didn't), they had a 12% tax rate and we still lost on the deal because of all the social services used - Medicare, uninsured, prison costs etc.

It's estimated that 30% of public health care patients are illegal immigrants and 19% of federal prisoners aren't citizens, so this is a big $ issue.

 

[elgordoboy]

The government uses my $ for projects I find much more disagreeable than subsidizing costs for hard working people. I like to have an adequate labor supply as it makes services more available and affordable. The illegal immigrants have been major participants in causing the economic gains of the U.S as a whole. Go look around Atlanta at the houses and the restaurants. The consumer was/is the beneficiary of an abundant labor supply. The economic boom of the last 17 years (ATL) would never have occurred and been sustained w/o the immigrants. Now as work declines many are self deporting preferring to be broke with their wives and children that they haven't seen for 11 years rather than staying here. Many people would have been priced out of the homes they have been able to buy in recent years had they had to rely on solely domestic workers. "But the law is the law" every day laws remain unenforced in myriad ways. Equal protection under the law = equal protection in ignoring the law.

 

[scooterbug44]

It's not usually the "hard-working" people who are being heavily subsidized by the government and its aid programs. :roll:

I gladly pay more for things if it means that the workers get paid a decent wage. You get what you pay for and we just shortchange ourselves when all we see is the $ amount on the final price tag. People biatch about not enough American manufacturing jobs and then shop at Wal-mart.

The argument that we need illegal immigrants as a slave labor class is not a good one IMO! :angry:

 

[elgordoboy]

It's not usually the "hard-working" people who are being heavily subsidized by the government and its aid programs. :roll:

I gladly pay more for things if it means that the workers get paid a decent wage. You get what you pay for and we just shortchange ourselves when all we see is the $ amount on the final price tag. People biatch about not enough American manufacturing jobs and then shop at Wal-mart.

The argument that we need illegal immigrants as a slave labor class is not a good one IMO! :angry:

Luckily then that is not the one I am making. I have stated nothing about slave labor class. When it comes to disposable income many have "fat cash". I am arguing that we need the people here to fill jobs and create jobs. Even with unemployment on the rise where do you find the workers to fill these manufacturing jobs should they be returned here? We need bodies, look at the people retiring from the work force in the years/decades to come. Point me to the slave around here. Happy and hard working is my experience. I am not saying that abuses don't occur but that is not the norm. Carrying on about wages is a different subject entirely, minimum wage is simply redistribution of wealth like taxes except the gov't isn't deciding specifically where it goes to, just that it must go. As a business owner previously, the minimum wage never crossed my mind as I was always paying double, triple, and more. And yes one does get what one pays for but if there is no one able to show up regularly and do the work then that job goes unfilled and why would you want that?

 

[Andy A]

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to
illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food
assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free
school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for
illegal aliens.. http:/ /www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and
secondary schooleducation for children here illegally and
they cannot speak a word of English!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for
the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as
anchor babies. http://transcripts..cnn.com/
TR ANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate
illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of a ll Fed eral Prison inmates are
illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt..01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens
for Welfare and Social Services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American
wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime
rate that's two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal
aliens.. In particular, th eir ch ildren, are going to
make a huge additional crime problem in the US .
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION
illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as
many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries.
Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and
marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Homeland Security Report. http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the
total cost of mass deportation of illegal aliens' would
be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of
between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year
period.
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in
remittances back to their countries of origin.
http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One
Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The
United States ..' http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

Total cost is a whooping ... $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!
And Gordoboy you really think the utilization of illegal workers really outweighs the cost of them being here illegally? According to the above information I don't think so.

 

[wrobert]

Total cost is a whooping ... $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!
And Gordoboy you really think the utilization of illegal workers really outweighs the cost of them being here illegally? According to the above information I don't think so.

I think the costs are just shifted. The rich jut get to pay more taxes. I am using the democrat defiinition of rich here.

 

[elgordoboy]

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to
illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food
assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free
school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for
illegal aliens.. http:/ /www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and
secondary schooleducation for children here illegally and
they cannot speak a word of English!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for
the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as
anchor babies. http://transcripts..cnn.com/
TR ANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate
illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of a ll Fed eral Prison inmates are
illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt..01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens
for Welfare and Social Services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American
wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime
rate that's two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal
aliens.. In particular, th eir ch ildren, are going to
make a huge additional crime problem in the US .
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION
illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as
many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries.
Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and
marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Homeland Security Report. http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the
total cost of mass deportation of illegal aliens' would
be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of
between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year
period.
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in
remittances back to their countries of origin.
http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One
Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The
United States ..' http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

Total cost is a whooping ... $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!
And Gordoboy you really think the utilization of illegal workers really outweighs the cost of them being here illegally? According to the above information I don't think so.

You double dipped a time or two there #1 and #8, at least in your
synopsis. Accepting that #9 is true then we can toss it out because the money was either saved by the consumer or kept by the "fat cats" not actually costing the economy anything. If it were the consumer then he got more bang for the buck if it was the "fat cat" then the money was invested or spent to the benefit of other enterprise. Drugs have always been a problem in the U.S to blame it on people crossing the border is ridiculous- blame it on the buyer. As #9 is the 2/3rds of your argument money wise, I would say yes the benefits of an adeqaute labor supply covers the remaining $100 to $130 billion in your scenario (which I am not ceding is the whole story or reality). People commit crimes, people are incarcerated. You want to stop paying for education yet I would contend that lack of education is what fosters crime. Address the one and you fix the other.

 

[elgordoboy]

*self deleting some of this as I realized it is not helpful or constructive to reasonable debate*
Something is wrong with the cnn links.

 

[elgordoboy]

I think the costs are just shifted. The rich jut get to pay more taxes. I am using the democrat defiinition of rich here.

Yes.

 

[Andy A]

Elgodoboy, I will give you this. You are great at spinning, even better than 6th Gen. The sources are cited. Whether you accept them or not is up to you.