Jesus Would Have Been in Favor of Healthcare Reform.

[BrentS]

Reconciliation and Deem were never meant or have been used to pass such large social legislation!


BrentS

Did you feel the same way when the Repubs used these tactics to push through their agenda's?

Yea, I did actually I think both parties are criminals as mentioned above. We need a third and forth party to break up this power hungary bunch of thief's. You really should open your mind some more and realize there are more political philosophies than just Republican and Democrats you have simply fallen into the trap thees two parties have set on both side of any political argument. Before these two dominate parties existed there were Democrat Republicans, Federalist, Whigs etc. Thomas Jefferson said himself that a revolution should occur every 100 yrs to balance power. We as Americans must get past the two party philosophy and think bigger! Pick up a history book or the Constitution and realize what our country was founded on and the possibilities that exist with the freedom we have been given.

 

[Bob]

incredible as it may seem, in the midst of economic deprivation, as i travel about our fair city, i am presented with the fact that the newest and nicest buildings to be found are medical facilities. most of our city's major hospitals are in constant states of expansion. outpatient facilities are plentiful and none too few. beyond the healthcare industry, construction is nada. where do you suppose the money originates to frenetically build in the midst of a monstrous recession?

 

[Bob]

Yea, I did actually I think both parties are criminals as mentioned above. We need a third and forth party to break up this power hungary bunch of thief's. You really should open your mind some more and realize there are more political philosophies than just Republican and Democrats you have simply fallen into the trap thees two parties have set on both side of any political argument. Before these two dominate parties existed there were Democrat Republicans, Federalist, Whigs etc. Thomas Jefferson said himself that a revolution should occur every 100 yrs to balance power. We as Americans must get past the two party philosophy and think bigger! Pick up a history book or the Constitution and realize what our country was founded on and the possibilities that exist with the freedom we have been given.

there is no difference in the parties. that's the trap you fail to realize. this country is run by a small group of "interests".

 

[Bob]

I'm confused by your statement AlfaCrab. I've read the Bible and thought that Jesus was against governmental control of the people, which is what the 2000+ page HealthCare/Christmas Tree ornament Bill is all about -- more governmental control. Interstingly, my Bibles have about half the number of pages as this bill) Jesus would be a fan of giving to the less fortunate, but government seems to have stepped in and forced that charity at the end of a gun. Don't think so, try not paying the IRS or this required payment to Uncle Sam and see if they don't take you with force and hold you in prison.

If you think healthcare is a right, does that mean that you can demand a doctor to treat you? If so, how many hours of their lives do they owe you? Does a farmer also owe you food? Does a builder owe you shelter? Where do you draw the line between a right and a priviledge, and where do you draw a line with government. The truth is that if we didn't have to pay taxes to support the government, we would have plenty of money which we could use to help the less fortunate, as Jesus asked. The only reason why Jesus reportedly said, "give unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's," is from fear that many people were out to stop him, and for Jesus to encourage people not to pay taxes would have been an instant death sentence by law. Jesus was too smart for their tricks.

I think that if Jesus were physically here today, he would still be anti-government, though would still be in favor of helping others who are less fortunate.

your analogies are poor unless you believe that if you cannot pay a physician, then you deserve to suffer or die. if you know that bible as you say you do, you would know jesusguy was never concerned about his longevity. as far as your assertions that government can function without taxes, your are entering the realm of rationalizations espoused by full blown, delusional reprobates who would enjoy the blessings of our country without footing the bill.

 

[AndrewG]

Good point. It's amazing how our Country survived until the early 1900's without a federal income tax on the people.

Why isn't job creation Obama's #1 priority. The next item on his agenda is Immigration reform not jobs. I truly believe our Country is in a serious downward spiral. Without jobs everything stops.

 

[Matt J]

all greats points swgb. but was Jesus really anti-government? I am no bible expert but from what little I recall, it seems he taught us all to treat one another fairly, whether a government worker or not. I believe he also said: "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God."

I don't know what Jesus would say about health care. but I tend to think he would look favorably upon a great country which used its great resources to provide good health care to all its citizens. why not?

I'm betting if FBI agents or Federal troops nailed you to a cross you'd be pretty anti-government.

Good point. It's amazing how our Country survived until the early 1900's without a federal income tax on the people.

Why isn't job creation Obama's #1 priority. The next item on his agenda is Immigration reform not jobs. I truly believe our Country is in a serious downward spiral. Without jobs everything stops.

Yeah, the government should be building roads, infrastructure, running a militia, and everything else through some magical revenue stream. :roll:

IIRC the only true way for the government to create jobs is to increase spending and programs, which ultimately increases taxes. You can argue tax cuts for small business until you're blue in the face, but cutting a small business's taxes by $5,000 a year doesn't create a job.

 

[Kayak Fish]

Why isn't job creation Obama's #1 priority. The next item on his agenda is Immigration reform not jobs. I truly believe our Country is in a serious downward spiral. Without jobs everything stops.

There was a time when conservatives didn't believe that the government created jobs, but of course now that health care might finally get reformed the number one priority should be government creating jobs.

 

[pgurney]

I kinda think that Jesus would be teaching people how to fish.

 

[30A Skunkape]

I kinda think that Jesus would be teaching people how to fish.

Or the nifty trick of raising the dead or vanquishing Mycobacterium leprae with the wave of a hand.

 

[Teresa]

I'm betting if FBI agents or Federal troops nailed you to a cross you'd be pretty anti-government.

me? you bet.

Jesus kind of put himself apart from govt, which is what pissed 'em off. but I don't think he was anti-govt or anti-anything. His message was positive - and it was all about love and doing unto others. His last words were to ask God to forgive the ones who nailed him to that cross. I don't think he gave govt much thought. His focus was on people, helping, healing and teaching the people.

I guess you could say Jesus used the govt to get them to do the dirty work of nailing him to a cross. It was his mission. Mission accomplished.

Govt can do good work too. Our govt has done great work over the years and I believe it will conitnue to do so.

I can hardly watch this debate unfold though - the ugliness of the more extreme groups against health care is more than I can stomach.