Massive music fest in PCB? No way, council says

[LuciferSam]

They could move thunderbeach to spring break and deputize the bikers to provide security. What could possibly go wrong?

That's only necessary if we get some rowdy type band like the Stones. It might be a good idea to give the bikers all the beer they can drink to mellow them out. No guns for them either, too dangerous. Knives are much safer. We'll call it Gimme Shelter 2010.

 

[scooterbug44]

No kidding... I hate to be an ass about it, but, copyright...

At least you're self aware. :roll:

Sorry if you felt Kurt posted too much of your article, but since most of us wouldn't have read it otherwise, and he provided a link, perhaps some perspective would be in order!

 

[rehdrahk]

Fair Use Copyright/Doctorine

I think that Kurt's use of the article falls well into the fair use category. Especially since this is news worthy and would have an impact on many of the members of this forum.

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The fair use statute:


The doctrine of fair use developed over the years as courts tried to balance the rights of copyright owners with society's interest in allowing copying in certain, limited circumstances. This doctrine has at its core a fundamental belief that not all copying should be banned, particularly in socially important endeavors such as criticism, news reporting, teaching, and research.


Although the doctrine of fair use was originally created by the judiciary, it is now set forth in the Copyright Act. Under the Act, four factors are to be considered in order to determine whether a specific action is to be considered a "fair use." These factors are as follows:

1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

Well, it wasn't "too much" of it, it was all of it! Typically you post an excerpt and a link. I think I have seen this happening across the forums here, with stories from the News Herald and the Daily News. And it's all copyrighted stuff.

 

[agant]

I think that Kurt's use of the article falls well into the fair use category. Especially since this is news worthy and would have an impact on many of the members of this forum.

All due respect, but did you even read all of what you posted. Number 3 on your list of factors:

3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole;

Here is a quote from the link I provided earlier (you could call this "fair use"):

The "fair use" exemption to (U.S.) copyright law was created to allow things such as commentary, parody, news reporting, research and education about copyrighted works without the permission of the author. That's vital so that copyright law doesn't block your freedom to express your own works -- only the ability to appropriate other people's. Intent, and damage to the commercial value of the work are important considerations. Are you reproducing an article from the New York Times because you needed to in order to criticise the quality of the New York Times, or because you couldn't find time to write your own story, or didn't want your readers to have to register at the New York Times web site? The first is probably fair use, the others probably aren't.

 

[rehdrahk]

Up to interpretation

I can respect your need to protect your work! I just think that in terms of this particular situation that it may have been more appropriate to ease your opinion in. This forum is made up of many knowledgeable locals who are consistently providing vital information to their community.

If you honestly feel that posting an article from the paper was done deliberately to spite the paper itself or infringe on copyright laws outright then I think you are highly mistaken about how information is shared here.

I just think that as a new member of the forum it would be in your best interest to play nice and back up your arguments instead of outright attacking a senior member of this site for simply just trying to share information with his fellow forum friends.

Just my opinion. Like I said I can respect you wanting protecting your work and can definitely see your side of the coin!

 

[beachmouse]

Every professional and most amateur-run forums I've posted on have limited copyrighted information to a link and then a small (one paragraph) quote from the article to show the most relevant or interesting part of the article.

When I've seen Kurt post a full article or press release, I've just assumed he had permission of the source to do so, and am surprised if this isn't the case.

 

[Lynnie]

Pretty groovy line-up. I think I am all for this music fest.

 

[Bluznbeach]

Can we let Kurt run his own board and maybe just talk about the concert itself for a minute? Personally, I think "train wreck" would be an understatement and the promoter is trying to con the PCB folks big-time. Does anybody honestly believe Paul McCartney would come anywhere near this thing?

I think they're right by trying to nip it in the bud and hope they succeed.

 

[agant]

Apologies again if I came off like an ass. I didn't mean for my first post to be an attack. If I'm annoyed it's because we do work hard to provide info and gain traction on our Web site, and to see it routinely copied in its entirety is discouraging.

You have no idea how glad I am that there's interest in local news like this. I just hope in the future, this forum can treat our stories more fairly... like I said, copy some, link to the rest!

I do really admire your community and your site; I'm glad it's here and I hope it stays. Speaking of news stories- I hope you caught Tom McLaughlin's in the Daily News a while back on the community grocery in Red Bay.. I know it's not SoWal but it's just a few miles north, another thing to enjoy about this unique area in general.