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Mexican Drug Cartels using weak US gun laws to arm themselves

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scooterbug44

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Yet another nasty byproduct of our weak and nonsensical gun laws.

And yet another reason why we REALLY need some common sense reforms.

Not sure about anyone else, but I would feel a lot safer if we made it SLIGHTLY DIFFICULT for crazy people and drug dealers to buy 10 AK-47s in a day. :roll:

Not to mention that we share over 1,900 miles of border with the country these drug cartels want to go to war with. :bang:

U.S.: Gun raids show cartels at work in Ariz. - U.S. news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com

"Federal officials say they have new evidence that Mexico's most violent drug cartels are exploiting weak U.S. guns laws to acquire massive quantities of assault rifles and other firearms for use in their war against the Mexican government.

In an early morning round-up in Arizona, law enforcement agents Tuesday arrested 20 people who are accused of illegally buying hundreds of AK-47s and other firearms at U.S. gun stores. The defendants allegedly acted as "straw purchasers," falsely declaring on federal forms they were purchasing the weapons for themselves, rather than their real clients: the Sinaloa Cartel and other Mexican drug trafficking organizations across the border, the officials said.

"The massive size of this operation exemplifies the magnitude of the problem ? Mexican drug lords go shopping for war weapons in Arizona," said Dennis K. Burke, the U.S. attorney for Arizona, who announced the raids at a press conference in Phoenix.

In the cases announced Tuesday, officials said the alleged straw buyers managed to acquire the weapons ? and pass federal background checks ? without raising red flags despite the fact that in some cases they plunked down large sums of cash for multiple purchases of assault rifles. In one case, officials said, seven individuals spent $104,251 in cash at various Phoenix-area firearms dealers to acquire 140 firearms.

In addition, officials of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said the arrests point to the urgent need for White House approval of a federal rule they proposed last month that would require firearms dealers in four southwest border states ? Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, and California ? to report multiple sales of long guns. Currently, firearms dealers must report to the ATF when a customer buys two or more handguns, but no such requirement exists for long guns such as AK-47s. ATF officials said such reporting would be an invaluable "intelligence tool" that would allow them identify potential straw buyers for the cartels.

But that proposal, which was published in Federal Register in December, has drawn angry protests from the National Rifle Association and firearms industry, whose spokesmen argue it would impose an unnecessary regulatory burden on the gun stores and potentially infringe on the Second Amendment rights of legitimate gun buyers. "
 
Two ways to fix this mess:

1-The United States of Mexico can enforce her own gun and drug laws.

2-The United States of America legalizes marijuana.

Pipe dream, I know.
 
I have some slightly different ideas..........

1) Stop selling AK-47s and other weapons whose sole purpose is to kill many humans.
2) Stop same day cash sales.
3) Stop same day sales of multiple weapons.
4) Require gun shop owners to report multiple sales of "long guns" (they currently do this for pistols).
5) Change the process so that lying on a paper form does not allow crazy people, criminals, drug users, etc. to buy guns.
6) Mandatory reporting of crazy people/security concerns to prevent them from making purchases without further review. The system merely flags them - no medical info is given.

I think these 6 items would go a long way towards keeping us safe - and don't really infringe on any legitimate gun owner's rights IMO.
 
I have some slightly different ideas..........

1) Stop selling AK-47s and other weapons whose sole purpose is to kill many humans.
2) Stop same day cash sales.
3) Stop same day sales of multiple weapons.
4) Require gun shop owners to report multiple sales of "long guns" (they currently do this for pistols).
5) Change the process so that lying on a paper form does not allow crazy people, criminals, drug users, etc. to buy guns.
6) Mandatory reporting of crazy people/security concerns to prevent them from making purchases without further review. The system merely flags them - no medical info is given.

I think these 6 items would go a long way towards keeping us safe - and don't really infringe on any legitimate gun owner's rights IMO.

I'm pretty sure AK47s are illegal to own in Mexico. How is that working out for them?
 
Part of the reason it isn't working out so well for them is that they can easily buy legal guns in the US and smuggle them in.

Back to reality - what is wrong with those 6 suggestions?

Do they help make us safer?

Are they easy and basic ways we could reduce gun violence?
 
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Part of the reason it isn't working out so well for them is that they can easily buy legal guns in the US and smuggle them in.

Back to reality - what is wrong with those 6 suggestions?

Do they help make us safer?

Are they easy and basic ways we could reduce gun violence?

The AK47 and 'assault rifles' seem to outrage people but statistically the handgun is a much bigger menace in the US.
 
I am not disagreeing with that statement - however, I still would like to see changes made that affect assault rifle sales.

Especially considering the incidents and concerns voiced in this article.

IMO we are long overdue for some common sense and tweaks.

We know the items I am suggesting are not a 100% solution - but they are a good start.
 
I am not disagreeing with that statement - however, I still would like to see changes made that affect assault rifle sales.

Especially considering the incidents and concerns voiced in this article.

IMO we are long overdue for some common sense and tweaks.

We know the items I am suggesting are not a 100% solution - but they are a good start.

legalizing the loco weed would be cheaper and end the gun violence. Additionally, the resulting munchies would equal 100% employment in the food service industry. Why do you want to initiate a messy legislative crusade on ramping up gun laws when criminals already demonstrate they do little to disuade them from participating in criminal gun activity?
 
Scooterbug, your suggestions aren't lacking at all. An honest person like yourself, seeks a common sense solution. 'It's so simple! Why don't they just....'

But, IMO solutions aren't what status quo keepers want. Creating or maintaining conflict in order to increase levels of control is their solution. Control is the solution.

Legalizing marijuana on paper would theoretically not only allow the govt to save billions on the War on Drugs, but perhaps raise money by regulation and taxes, decrease crime, violence and jail overpopulation. Sounds great right? But one thing we common-sensers miss is the control the govt would lose. They would lose the ability to search based on "suspicion" only. They will never let loose the grip of control once they achieve it.

This is why we need to tread very lightly around these 'more enforcement' issues. These are perfect breeding grounds for the govt to ratchet up the level of control and once they have it they will never let it go. (Well they did repeal Sarbannes-Oxley but that controlled them, so I digress.)

Look at TSA now with their x-ray machines. Considering the bombing in the Russian airport and looking at our security lines here, the place for destruction isn't in the plane anymore. It's the security lines waiting to get x-rayed, prodded and poked. (Look at the crowds around Iraqi recruiting stations being blown up.) Once this happens, there will be more controls installed outside the airport never to be relinquished. And on and on and on.

The same way we pay debt with more debt, we solve enforcement failure with more enforcement laws. Name me one person of consequence in the past 3 years, who has gone to jail for the largest financial crime ever. Bernie Madoff and Martha Stewart don't count.

I know this isn't directly related to your topic of Mexican drug violence, but the issue of control is overarching.

Benjamin Franklin said something along the lines of "Those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither." Seeing a history of unintended consequences, I finally understand what he meant.
 
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