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Interesting fact bite at the bottom:
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Lastly to the retards that say biotech does not increase yield. I challenge you to call 10 farmers randomly and ask would they rather plant the hybrids that were around 10 years ago. I bet 30 bushels of corn they say no........Next.....

This bit of eloquence in your rebuttal ends any desire for me to even attempt to reason with you. You are certainly entitled to your (mistaken) opinion, and the "bum" part of your name would seem at least to be accurate. ;-)
 
This bit of eloquence in your rebuttal ends any desire for me to even attempt to reason with you. You are certainly entitled to your (mistaken) opinion, and the "bum" part of your name would seem at least to be accurate. ;-)

I think it's interesting he would use a word banned by his poster girl.
 
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I still find it amazing that everyone continues to gang up on the fact that Monsanto is Satan of the world. People in Hawaii do not need to blame Monsanto for water problems, I mean are you serious? First they make it illegal to view a youtube clip in a free country, they rewrite laws that if anyone else would do would be tarred and feathered in the streets, now they are stealing water from Hawaiian natives. Did you notice anything about that paragraph, one blip was about Monsanto, "Monsanto certainly contributes to that." WOW, what a revelation? Sounded a like a problem with the water board more than Monsanto. Have you seen what happens when companies actually do something wrong? (Toyota, Worldcom, Enron) Are you listening to yourself?

This is not a conspiracy to take over the world as bad as you want it to be, why would they do that? Do you actually think the government will yield its power to a corporation? Ha. (E.g. Social Insecurity, Healthcare, Bailouts, GM, AIG, shoudl I go on?). Sure they are not perfect no corporation is, but the accusations you make about them are boderline insane. Yes the University of Florida relaeses varieties for farmers to use, just like every other land grant university, it is what they do. Once again they are a public program and believe it or not, nothing is free (hence the taxes and tuition they pay). On the other hand Monsanto is private and reserves the rights to charge whatever they want to as long as people want to buy it, called supply and demand. (See Roundup Example).

Also, please document one case where Monsanto sued a farmer based on a few seeds "thrown" into their field. YOU CANNOT DO IT. More importantly whenever a lawsuit is brought against a farmer if the farmer is found in the wrong all proceeds go to a youth leadership initiatives or scholarship funds, none are taken for profit. Oh by the way with the over 300,000 customers that use Monsanto every year, only 141 have been taken to court. Lets see if we do 300,000 x 13 years (number of years this patent infrigement has been around = 3.9 million times a farmer has purchased their seeds divided by 141 lawsuits = .0000361% that Monsanto takes a farmer to trial, quite the pandemic, watch out for big bad Monsanto. Ohhh! I'm scared.

By the way Monsanto was just named #31 as one of the best corporate citizens in America. Crazy how they are the spawn of Satan, they just have everyone fooled, don't they?
 
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I still find it amazing that everyone continues to gang up on the fact that Monsanto is Satan of the world. People in Hawaii do not need to blame Monsanto for water problems, I mean are you serious? First they make it illegal to view a youtube clip in a free country, they rewrite laws that if anyone else would do would be tarred and feathered in the streets, now they are stealing water from Hawaiian natives. Did you notice anything about that paragraph, one blip was about Monsanto, "Monsanto certainly contributes to that." WOW, what a revelation? Sounded a like a problem with the water board more than Monsanto. Have you seen what happens when companies actually do something wrong? (Toyota, Worldcom, Enron) Are you listening to yourself?

This is not a conspiracy to take over the world as bad as you want it to be, why would they do that? Do you actually think the government will yield its power to a corporation? Ha. (E.g. Social Insecurity, Healthcare, Bailouts, GM, AIG, shoudl I go on?). Sure they are not perfect no corporation is, but the accusations you make about them are boderline insane. Yes the University of Florida relaeses varieties for farmers to use, just like every other land grant university, it is what they do. Once again they are a public program and believe it or not, nothing is free (hence the taxes and tuition they pay). On the other hand Monsanto is private and reserves the rights to charge whatever they want to as long as people want to buy it, called supply and demand. (See Roundup Example).

Also, please document one case where Monsanto sued a farmer based on a few seeds "thrown" into their field. YOU CANNOT DO IT. More importantly whenever a lawsuit is brought against a farmer if the farmer is found in the wrong all proceeds go to a youth leadership initiatives or scholarship funds, none are taken for profit. Oh by the way with the over 300,000 customers that use Monsanto every year, only 141 have been taken to court. Lets see if we do 300,000 x 13 years (number of years this patent infrigement has been around = 3.9 million times a farmer has purchased their seeds divided by 141 lawsuits = .0000361% that Monsanto takes a farmer to trial, quite the pandemic, watch out for big bad Monsanto. Ohhh! I'm scared.

By the way Monsanto was just named #31 as one of the best corporate citizens in America. Crazy how they are the spawn of Satan, they just have everyone fooled, don't they?

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I'd love to sink your ship, but it's already so full of holes it'd be a waste of time.
 
Do you actually think the government will yield its power to a corporation? Ha.
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Yes, it will and it has. If you believe otherwise, you are the one who's naive.
 
Also, please document one case where Monsanto sued a farmer based on a few seeds "thrown" into their field. YOU CANNOT DO IT. More importantly whenever a lawsuit is brought against a farmer if the farmer is found in the wrong all proceeds go to a youth leadership initiatives or scholarship funds, none are taken for profit. Oh by the way with the over 300,000 customers that use Monsanto every year, only 141 have been taken to court. Lets see if we do 300,000 x 13 years (number of years this patent infrigement has been around = 3.9 million times a farmer has purchased their seeds divided by 141 lawsuits = .0000361% that Monsanto takes a farmer to trial, quite the pandemic, watch out for big bad Monsanto. Ohhh! I'm scared.

Typical response when you have no facts to back up what you are saying.

You state that Monsanto has never been sued based on "seed theft" and then you go on to quote lawsuit statistics. Is that you being naive or just really bad grammar?
 
EXTRACT: Currently, farmers with crops that become contaminated by patented seeds or pollen have been the target of harassing lawsuits brought by biotech patent holders, particularly Monsanto. --- --- California Legislature Passes Bill Protecting Farmers Against Monsanto Lawsuits
California Legislature Passes Bill Protecting Farmers Against Monsanto Lawsuits

Monsanto continues its lawsuit against a North Dakota family farm, despite an independent body?s ruling that it found no evidence of wrongdoing. Roger, Rodney and Greg Nelson grow soybeans, wheat and sugar beets on 8,000 acres outside of Amenia, ND, in the Red River Valley. (See February story about Nelson case)

"They (Monsanto) haven?t got any evidence," says Mark Fraase, the attorney representing the Nelsons. "They can?t gather any, yet they persist."
Monsanto would not comment on any aspect of this story.
Monsanto Still Suing Nelsons, Other Growers

http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/pubs/Monsanto November 2007 update.pdf

The Roushes? experience is not unique. Monsanto told Arkansas farmer Ray Dawson that it spent over $250,000 on hiring Pinkerton investigators to inspect his property for three to four weeks. The company apparently fired these investigators, as well as the attorneys that initially had been hired to handle the case, because they could not find proof of patent infringement. The second group of investigators hired by Monsanto spent two days conducting the same inspection, only this time they claimed to have found sufficient evidence of infringement.50
Prosecuting American Farmers: Monsanto's Investigations, Coerced Settlements & Lawsuits - Chapter 3 from Monsanto vs. U.S. Farmers - Center for Food Safety 12jan05

WASHINGTON ? Jan 13, 2005 - (NATURALWIRE) - The Center for Food Safety released today an extensive review of Monsanto?s use and abuse of U.S. patent law to control the usage of staple crop seeds by U.S. farmers. The Center (CFS) launched its investigation to determine the extent to which American farmers have been impacted by litigation arising from the use of patented genetically engineered crops. Monsanto vs. U.S. Farmers details the results of this research, discusses the ramifications for the future of farming in the U.S. and outlines policy options for ending the persecution of America?s farmers.
?These law suits and settlements are nothing less than corporate extortion of American farmers,? said Andrew Kimbrell executive Director of CFS. ?Monsanto is polluting American farms with its genetically engineered crops, not properly informing farmers about these altered seeds, and then profiting from its own irresponsibility and negligence by suing innocent farmers. We are committed to stopping this corporate persecution of our farmers in its tracks.?
Review of Monsanto's Abuse of Patent Law

"As interviews and reams of court documents reveal, Monsanto relies on a shadowy army of private investigators and agents in the American heartland to strike fear into farm country. They fan out into fields and farm towns, where they secretly videotape and photograph farmers, store owners, and co-ops; infiltrate community meetings; and gather information from informants about farming activities. Farmers say that some Monsanto agents pretend to be surveyors. Others confront farmers on their land and try to pressure them to sign papers giving Monsanto access to their private records. Farmers call them the 'seed police' and use words such as 'Gestapo' and 'Mafia' to describe their tactics" Monsanto?s Harvest of Fear.
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Monsanto has sued many a farmer when their GM crops have turned up on the farmer's fields even though the farmers say they never planted them (examples [1] [2]). Farmers who get into the Roundup-Ready (RR) System lose their independence, and are obliged to sign a lengthy and restrictive agreement. [3]. What's more Monsanto contracts out to private investigation firms like Pinkerton, to regularly check up on their farmers (and independent, non-GM farmers as well), taking samples unannounced from their fields to make sure they are not in violation [4] [5]. It also maintains a hotline so farmers can turn in their neighbors for suspected violations.
According to Monsanto vs. U.S. Farmers Monsanto pursues hundreds of new investigative leads a year, 600 in 2003 for example, aimed at farmers.
"The odds are clearly stacked against the farmer: Monsanto has an annual budget of $10 million dollars and a staff of 75 devoted solely to investigating and prosecuting farmers. The largest recorded judgment made thus far in favor of Monsanto as a result of a farmer lawsuit is $3,052,800.00. Total recorded judgments granted to Monsanto for lawsuits amount to $15,253,602.82. Farmers have paid a mean of $412,259.54 for cases with recorded judgments".
Goliath and David: Monsanto's Legal Battles against Farmers - SourceWatch

And that's just page 1 of a google search for "Monsanto lawsuits" returning 520,000 hits.

Obviously, your Monsanto retirement package has enabled you to live along 30A, which is admirable. But no self-respecting "beach bum" would take their side in this debate.
 
It should be obvious to anyone that farmers like GMO crops and they're here to stay. I've heard people say things like "how can you patent life'. Well the answer is simple, through the court system, that's how. I myself would like to learn more about some of the early rulings that set this precedent. I'm not saying I disagree with this. It makes sense that if you produce a new innovation that you should have some intellectual property rights and control.

So I'm sure some farmers like these seeds so much that they attempt to violate contractual agreements in order to save $$ on these "frankenseeds". I'm sure that some farmers rat out other farmers and the accused says "It's not my seed it blew on my property". Finally I have no doubt that occasionally that really is the case and an innocent farmer gets accused and loses a court case. I believe in the majority of situations though, farmers are happy with their agreements with the seed provider because of their improved bottom line. Maybe that makes them just as evil??:idontno:
 
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