scooterbug44
SoWal Expert
Where do you get that? MSRP is $32,780 and you can get up to $7,500 back in credits/rebates to make it as low as $25,280.
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Neighborhood Electric Vehicles
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Where do you get that? MSRP is $32,780 and you can get up to $7,500 back in credits/rebates to make it as low as $25,280.
LuciferSam
Banned
Your price quote is way off as has been pointed out. At the moment I have to question your statement about battery replacement. In addition, without knowing how much batteries cost to replace, I can't get much meaning out of that. Finally, there are other maintenence costs that won't be a part of ev ownership. things like oil changes, air filter changes, spark plugs, wires, injectors, fuel filters. You'll never have to replace your radiator or water pump. The list goes on. No belts, no pulleys, no timing chain, no starter, no alternator, no transmission.
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Lake View Too
SoWal Insider
No doubt, you and Scooter are going to use facts and figures. Good move.
30ashopper
SoWal Insider
This is something I've wondered about. The truth is we won't know what the real maintenance costs of these types of cars are until they exist in the market for a number of years.
As far as the battery goes it will have to be replaced, just like your cell or cordless phone battery needs to be replaced occasionally. Both the Leaf and the the Volt include an eight year, 100,000 mile battery warranty. After that it's an out of pocket cost for you. A replacement today will run about $12,000 to $15,000. The other interesting thing about these cars is that over time, as the battery goes bad, you'll lose range. So brand new off the lot you'll expect 100 mile range, but toward the end of the battery's life that number will decrease.
All of which makes concerns about the life expectancy of the battery and other maintenance costs a worthy concern for any new buyer.
Nissan LEAF Battery Warranty for Electric Car | Clean Fleet Report
robertsondavies
Beach Fanatic
Totally agree. Careful arguing against the popular/prolific sowal posters on this topic, unless you want to be bashed unreasonably. 30A thinks its green, cool, etc... and yet its like the only damn area in Florida, that really crimps the usability of Neighborhood Electric Vehicles, because according to most "locals" it is absolutely vital that 30A maintain the couple tiny strips (like the one in front of Deer Lake) at 45, rather than making the whole damn thing uniform at 35, thus greatly expanding the usability, desirability of neighborhood electric vehicles.
robertsondavies
Beach Fanatic
This is some information from an article I came across in my research of Low Speed Vehicles.
I found it pertinent to our conversation here.
March 2008, "World Wide Situation of Low Speed Vehicles"
Prepared for the Ministry of Transportation of Quebec
by The Quebec Advanced Transportation Institute
"The objective of this document is to provide the most recent information on the evolution of LSV in the regions studied and to identify the trends toward the integration of these vehicles in the ordinary traffic flow. The United States, certain European Union countries, Japan and Australia were targeted because of their experiences with this type of vehicle. Technical standards, traffic rules, the market, road accident data will be studied in detail and the opinions of specialists will be reported."
"During our research and interviews with the government authorities in the concerned countries, no exceptional accidents or worrisome statistics regarding the LSV were brought to our attention. In most cases, it does not raise major concerns in the countries and states that authorized its use on public roads."
"The only road accident statistics available are French and are provided by the Observatoire national interminist?riel de la S?curit? Routi?re (OSNIR). They show that the rate of LSV involved in traffic accidents is low. The number of victims is also low. The vast majority of accidents have been recorded on the 90 km/h networks, mainly on roads that connect rural areas, where 82% of deaths were recorded in 2005 as opposed to 17% in urban areas. LSV have four times less victims than mopeds."
"Many experiments in a real use environment demonstrated the interest and reliability of LSV. The conclusions of these experiments on various continents and in various use environments were positive (improvement of air quality, speed reduction) and all state that the LSV provides a mobility alternative that is ecological and complements the global offer."
According to the last table and figures, we note that:
? LSVs have a low ratio of people killed: an average of 25 dead per year over the last six years for a total of 140,000 vehicles in operation, that is, an average ratio of 0.017. The ratio increases to 0.037 people killed per million kilometers travelled if we take into consideration their annual average mileage.
? LSVs cause four times less victims than the mopeds (who travel at the same speed on the same type of roads).
There were no road accident data for LSVs in the United States processed, however, during our research and meetings with the US authorities (NHTSA, IIHS), no major accident was mentioned.
Ideally, the LSV could become the urban vehicle par excellence and inspire municipal environments to modify their streets in order to prevent speeds higher than the speed limit in cities, so that all users may travel safely and better share public roads while reducing accidents caused by excessive speeds.
It really is an interesting article for those of you who are passionate about this subject (as you seem to be, on the this and other forum pages). If you would like to read it all here is the link: http://www.itaq.qc.ca/pdf/LSV_ITAQ.pdf
Also, Lake View Too,
In this article there are SEVERAL communities and cities where LSVs have become THE mode of transportation. Several cities in California & Florida are mentioned. I have also found links where new charging stations are being implemented along rural highways across the nation, suggesting increased LSV traffic in those areas. NC was the most recent.
Enjoy!
They just won't open their eyes to this. 30A to these SoWal opponents is some sort of industrialized High Speed area. Damn the mounting stats and facts that LSV's are multiple times safer ... and Damn the fact that every environmental concern out there, including the Sierra Club, is actively promoting NEV/LSVs..
robertsondavies
Beach Fanatic
What's more dangerous, the distracted Atlanta housewife on vacation, who has had 3 martinis and a valium, driving her gazillion tonne Tahoe/Yukon/ Armada/to her Seagrove or Watercolor or Seacrest house, after a juant to Seaside, or Red Bar, or the same lady driving a 750 pound NEV at 25mph top speed, after three martinis and a valium.
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John R
needs to get out more
Have you ever driven on 30a? I know it's a long way from San Destin, but a little more research may prevent you from making embarrassing posts like this one, and the complimentary one about putting LSV's on the BIKE path.
Geo
Beach Fanatic
The issue isn't are LSV's safe or dangerous, are they green or not, etc. etc.
The issue is that people want to change the law so they can drive LSV's where they weren't intended to be driven- because they want to. That's about it. If they are safe and green and fun- super. Enjoy. But...
There is absolutely no need to change the speed limit to accomodate a few golf cart enthusiasts. Same goes for horse and buggies and antique vehicles.
PCH in California- A long coastal scenic highway. In populated areas where communities exist the speed limit is low and people drive golf carts. In rural areas in between the speed limit is high. No golf carts. And no need to lower the speed limit in those areas to accomodate golf carts- because they were NOT designed to be driven in those areas.
Same with 30A- A long coastal scenic highway. In populated areas where communities exist the speed limit is low and people drive golf carts. In rural areas in between the speed limit is high. No golf carts. And no need to lower the speed limit in those areas to accomodate golf carts- because they were NOT designed to be driven in those areas.
What is so hard to understand?
The issue is that people want to change the law so they can drive LSV's where they weren't intended to be driven- because they want to. That's about it. If they are safe and green and fun- super. Enjoy. But...
There is absolutely no need to change the speed limit to accomodate a few golf cart enthusiasts. Same goes for horse and buggies and antique vehicles.
PCH in California- A long coastal scenic highway. In populated areas where communities exist the speed limit is low and people drive golf carts. In rural areas in between the speed limit is high. No golf carts. And no need to lower the speed limit in those areas to accomodate golf carts- because they were NOT designed to be driven in those areas.
Same with 30A- A long coastal scenic highway. In populated areas where communities exist the speed limit is low and people drive golf carts. In rural areas in between the speed limit is high. No golf carts. And no need to lower the speed limit in those areas to accomodate golf carts- because they were NOT designed to be driven in those areas.
What is so hard to understand?
Geo
Beach Fanatic
I would stick with this argument for your presentation to the powers that be who will decide whether or not to lower the posted speed limit on 30A. This is your best work by far.
