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New big blue signs in SoWal
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rapunzel
Beach Fanatic
Re: Blue Signs in the Paper Today
My only comment would be that from where I was sitting, the it wasn't the crowd that seemed grumpy. Tracy Louthain spent more time admonishing the crowd to not clap than was wasted by sporadic clapping. And then, after reading the workshop rules that asked breakout groups to generate ideas for working with what we have, she invited those that insisted they wanted the signs removed and felt that should be an option on the table to leave if they couldn't abide by the rules.
I was very proud of the community for insisting upon having the right to speak freely.
My only comment would be that from where I was sitting, the it wasn't the crowd that seemed grumpy. Tracy Louthain spent more time admonishing the crowd to not clap than was wasted by sporadic clapping. And then, after reading the workshop rules that asked breakout groups to generate ideas for working with what we have, she invited those that insisted they wanted the signs removed and felt that should be an option on the table to leave if they couldn't abide by the rules.
I was very proud of the community for insisting upon having the right to speak freely.
GoodWitch58
Beach Fanatic
Re: Blue Signs in the Paper Today
I have conducted and participated in hundreds of workshops over the years--both governmental entitites and corporate--I have never before been in a workshop where the Facilitator set down the Ground Rules without "buy in" from the audience! Where does this attitude come from? And to whom do we complain? TDC staff needs to understand they are govenmental employees...they work for the citizens!
I have conducted and participated in hundreds of workshops over the years--both governmental entitites and corporate--I have never before been in a workshop where the Facilitator set down the Ground Rules without "buy in" from the audience! Where does this attitude come from? And to whom do we complain? TDC staff needs to understand they are govenmental employees...they work for the citizens!
Smiling JOe
SoWal Expert
Re: Blue Signs in the Paper Today
I guess you have to know Theo.
The above quote was from Theo Farnsworth and taken from the article.
Don't they get the point that any signs would help visitors find their way around 30-A??? Why do the signs have to be so tacky? We are not against having signs, they should just be more in keeping with the "feel" of the area! Not so dang "touristy" like Disney or Myrtle Beach
To me, those signs are an affront to the integrity of the beautiful area they are supposed to represent.
I guess you have to know Theo.
Smiling JOe
SoWal Expert
One note for the record, News Channel 13 (ABC) out of Panama City, incorrectly reported last night, that only $160,000 was spent on the signs. $260,000 was the actual number.
30A Skunkape
Skunky
I stood at the back of the room for most of the session specifically to count heads as there is always controversy about how many people were there after this type of event. Each half of the room held roughly 60 people who were seated. There were probably 15 standing against the back wall, 5 to 10 sitting on the floor in the middle aisle and a good number crowded into the lobby that I didn't count. I also heard that folks were being barred from entrance due to the crowd. Therefore, it is a conservative estimate that about 150 to 175 people were there.
That is an important number when one considers that the TDC hired a company to poll visitors the first week of March regarding their opinion of the new signs. If I remember correctly, 150 people were contacted via telephone over the course of 10 days, and in general the poll respondants voiced a favorable impression of the signage. This poll is no doubt ammo that will be used in the future to 'prove' that the family of signs is a successful marketing tool. Of course, 150 people is a pathetically small sample, especially when it is biased;as I understand it, the names and numbers were people (snowbirds) who stopped in to the TDC office to get direction(free stuff;-)).
After most people departed I sat up front. As we were about to adjourn I attempted, fruitlessly, to get the gentleman who I think is the director to go on the record and estimate the percentage of those in attendence that wanted the signs removed versus those who proposed alteration with paint, ivy, palms etc. Of course, he wouldn't do this...I think two people in attendance (Theo, named above) and another lady wanted the signs to remain and be worked on. The other 100+ wanted them gone, demonstrating that greater than 90% of those in attendance wanted removal.
I promise everyone that at April's TDC meeting the paint/palm ideas will be given equal consideration as total removal, which is of course absurd. We need to remind the TDC that the majority (or supermajority as somebody put it last night) of citizens who cared enough to attend want the signs gone, not palmed-up or painted. That is just putting lipstick on the pig.
That is an important number when one considers that the TDC hired a company to poll visitors the first week of March regarding their opinion of the new signs. If I remember correctly, 150 people were contacted via telephone over the course of 10 days, and in general the poll respondants voiced a favorable impression of the signage. This poll is no doubt ammo that will be used in the future to 'prove' that the family of signs is a successful marketing tool. Of course, 150 people is a pathetically small sample, especially when it is biased;as I understand it, the names and numbers were people (snowbirds) who stopped in to the TDC office to get direction(free stuff;-)).
After most people departed I sat up front. As we were about to adjourn I attempted, fruitlessly, to get the gentleman who I think is the director to go on the record and estimate the percentage of those in attendence that wanted the signs removed versus those who proposed alteration with paint, ivy, palms etc. Of course, he wouldn't do this...I think two people in attendance (Theo, named above) and another lady wanted the signs to remain and be worked on. The other 100+ wanted them gone, demonstrating that greater than 90% of those in attendance wanted removal.
I promise everyone that at April's TDC meeting the paint/palm ideas will be given equal consideration as total removal, which is of course absurd. We need to remind the TDC that the majority (or supermajority as somebody put it last night) of citizens who cared enough to attend want the signs gone, not palmed-up or painted. That is just putting lipstick on the pig.
30A Skunkape
Skunky
I forgot to say-TDC lurkers...
Smiling JOe
SoWal Expert
To be fair, they may have been Spring Breakers, given the small time period of the last two weeks in which the reactionary, defensive study was conducted. That said, the study is absolutely worthless when they don't consider whether or not this was their first visit to SoWal. If in the past, those people were used to Panama City Beach, Ft Walton, Disney World, etc, the signs wouldn't stand out at all. Also, Spring Breakers care about very few things -- being away from work or school, sitting in the sun on the beach, eating, drinking, and maybe if it's raining, they also care about shopping. Most could care less about a sign. They obviously don't read the signs anyway, judging by the great numbers of people who attempt to drive two-wheel-drive cars on the beach, and the number of people who drown from rip-currents, in the water in front of the big blue signs on the beach, demonstrating how to swim out of rip currents and the beach flag legends.
That Study was nothing but another waste of tax payer money in a purely defensive mode, and it shows that they TDC doesn't care about their third sentence in their Mission Statement, which should actually be first on their list of three.