No offshore drilling

[full time]

I will stick with mother nature on this one.
I think she can handle her own seepage. We live in a scary world when we begin to think that we are above the eb and flow of mother earth. That is what should be scaring people.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/27/jindal-katrina-oil-spill/

This is not a very compelling argument from a group whose members live primarily in the most disaster prone areas in the country. Shouldn't the science produced by NASA and the Smithsonian be addressed - or do we only point to the science when it involves arguments about global warming?

 

[Bobby J]

This is not a very compelling argument from a group whose members live primarily in the most disaster prone areas in the country. Shouldn't the science produced by NASA and the Smithsonian be addressed - or do we only point to the science when it involves arguments about global warming?

Not sure. Lets not look at the group that lives in the area? My concern with our waterways comes from living it. I don't need a study from NASA to tell me the climate and coastline are changing.

I would say the link is more compelling then the last spin/link you posted stating environmentalist were for drilling in CA.

 

[full time]

Not sure. Lets not look at the group that lives in the area? My concern with our waterways comes from living it. I don't need a study from NASA to tell me the climate and coastline are changing.

I would say the link is more compelling then the last spin/link you posted stating environmentalist were for drilling in CA.

We're in luck. I pick up a Walton Sun today and lo and behold ............ a symposium on the pros and cons of Florida off-shore drilling hosted by the Florida Association of Convention and Visitors Bureau at the Sandestin Hilton, September 11, 2008 from 9:00 am to 4:00 pm. No speakers from the Surfriders but certainly some should attend so that we can try to find some common ground, or at least, a better understanding of each other's views. BTW, I didn't say we shouldn't listen to surfers, I said it's not a compelling argument that we shouldn't think "we are above the eb and flow of mother earth" coming from people who primarily live in hurricane and earthquake prone areas - the very definition of people who think they can live above the "eb and flow".

 

[Bobby J]

I knew you would like that "Eb and flow" line. I reread that and I really liked it too. I will not be able to attend the meeting as my partner is out with a family crisis but I would bet there will be a few members showing. They are everywhere!
I look forward to learning more on this issue and thank you for debating with me.

 

[full time]

I knew you would like that "Eb and flow" line. I reread that and I really liked it too. I will not be able to attend the meeting as my partner is out with a family crisis but I would bet there will be a few members showing. They are everywhere!
I look forward to learning more on this issue and thank you for debating with me.

Sorry to hear that - hope all turns out well.

 

[Smiling JOe]

How is it that people want to install more oil rigs in the Hurricane-Prone Gulf? Don't you guys see the prices of oil increase when the Gulf is threatened with Hurricanes? Building more rigs won't decrease the price of gas, and even if it did, can't you see that it doesn't solve the problem of reliance on oil. It is much like welfare -- it helps some people get back on their feet, but many become hooked on welfare, rather than looking for new source of income. Many people get hooked on low gas prices, rather than allowing the market to do it's thing. If the price of oil rises high enough, people will demand new sources of energy technology and with the higher demand and usage, prices of those sources will decrease by scale.

 

[Miss Kitty]

Great question, SJ. Has the government had some master plan of making ALL of us dependant on them?

 

[Smiling JOe]

I haven't heard, but the push for Drill Now, has been with the preface that we become energy-independent, so if that means oil from the Gulf and Alaska, some solar power from the desserts out west, and wind power from TX, coal from the hills of the Eastern US, and maybe Natural Gas from the Atlantic coast, I think that the Eastern half US would be heavily reliant on oil from the Gulf, to fill the need for gasoline and plastics.

 

[full time]

How is it that people want to install more oil rigs in the Hurricane-Prone Gulf? Don't you guys see the prices of oil increase when the Gulf is threatened with Hurricanes? Building more rigs won't decrease the price of gas, and even if it did, can't you see that it doesn't solve the problem of reliance on oil. It is much like welfare -- it helps some people get back on their feet, but many become hooked on welfare, rather than looking for new source of income. Many people get hooked on low gas prices, rather than allowing the market to do it's thing. If the price of oil rises high enough, people will demand new sources of energy technology and with the higher demand and usage, prices of those sources will decrease by scale.

Two part series - you should read both.

http://hstoday.us/content/view/4905/150/

 

[Bob]

offshore drilling is a short-term solution which would slow the drive to alternative fuels and technologies. I'm hoping for higher oil prices to force our lethargic, lazy leadership out of the reactive mode. As oil heads south of 100/barrel we will return to our old ways.