Obama a Partisan President

[idlewind]

We haven't swung to the far left or the far right in terms of actual policy in ages. The rhetoric is radical and polarizing. The actions are mild and represent the mushy indecisive middle more than anything.

The middle is easy to buy off. Real men or women of principle are endangered in congress.

I said it before obama won and I'll say it now: this country needs radicals. It needs bold changes. Corportatism works so well precisely because there are few extremists at the trough- few are principled enough to fight the corporate interests who dictate virtually all policies.

The health care bill is a good step but it would never have happened if it wasn't a massive corporate gift box.

I totally agree with everything you have written here EXCEPT that the healthcare bill is a "good step."

As far as "partisanship" what is wrong with that? Sounds alot like standing up for what you believe to me.

I would much prefer a liberal who acts like a liberal to someone who says he is conservative and then acts like a liberal. At least I know who I am fighting.

My issue with Obama is that he is a socialist but refuses to admit it.

 

[idlewind]

I don't think we've swung to the far left at all. If we did, you would have seen single payer. But we don't even see a public option.

While I'm at it, we didn't actually swing far right either. Bush might have played to his base but Iraq war and tax cuts aside, he was no conservative. Lots of his social policies and his spending make his more a liberal than Obama...

The Force is strong in this one today.;-)

Geo, you are on the money with this post. When I read this I thought for a minute I had written it myself.

I will add though that conservatives take no ownership for the war. As many liberals voted for it as conservatives and both were wrong.

 

[Matt J]

I totally agree with everything you have written here EXCEPT that the healthcare bill is a "good step."

As far as "partisanship" what is wrong with that? Sounds alot like standing up for what you believe to me.

I would much prefer a liberal who acts like a liberal to someone who says he is conservative and then acts like a liberal. At least I know who I am fighting.

My issue with Obama is that he is a socialist but refuses to admit it.

You just can't let that sound bite go can you?

 

[melliedee]

We haven't swung to the far left or the far right in terms of actual policy in ages. The rhetoric is radical and polarizing. The actions are mild and represent the mushy indecisive middle more than anything.

The middle is easy to buy off. Real men or women of principle are endangered in congress.

I said it before obama won and I'll say it now: this country needs radicals. It needs bold changes. Corportatism works so well precisely because there are few extremists at the trough- few are principled enough to fight the corporate interests who dictate virtually all policies.

The health care bill is a good step but it would never have happened if it wasn't a massive corporate gift box.

Very true. Centrism ruled this bill which is why it's so funny to hear it called socialism when it has so many sweet meats for corporate America. Obama made a deal with the hospital lobby in JULY assuring them that the bill would have no public option. He's not pandering to progressives; frankly, he's pissing us off.

Why not use the full weight of reconciliation to put single payer back in?

 

[Bob]

Very true. Centrism ruled this bill which is why it's so funny to hear it called socialism when it has so many sweet meats for corporate America. Obama made a deal with the hospital lobby in JULY assuring them that the bill would have no public option. He's not pandering to progressives; frankly, he's pissing us off.

Why not use the full weight of reconciliation to put single payer back in?

lobbyists shape the agenda

 

[idlewind]

You just can't let that sound bite go can you?

The truth shall set you free.

 

[Yzarctoo]

Once folks really understand what is in that health bill ...it will be interesting to see how the Democrats "spin it." I for one refuse, no matter what party I belong too..to not speak up when something is not right. As I listen, and try reading through the bill...it is becoming very clear...that there are many parts in it that smell, that are padded, and that are not good for America. There are some good things in it, but not sure they will out weight the bad. Seems like all the really good things happen right away, but the bad stuff comes years later.

We didn't elect a King and his court...we elected a president. A president that should listen to ALL Americans...and not push his agenda so fast that no one (not even him) knows what is in the bill he is signing. I really don't see a good leader, I do see a scrapper, a very political" guy, that has surrounded himself with some folks, who wish to radically change America, and break us financially. I see a man who is not afraid to say one thing and then do another. It is hard for me to put my faith in him to do the right thing because he can't even keep his word. He said what he needed to get elected and then he does what ever he wants...I hope and pray that he doesn't have a secret agenda, that we will discover too late.

You all. that are "straight up" Obama folks... as time goes by, will eventually have to put your talking point papers away and start thinking for yourselves. There is nothing wrong in admitting that something is not right, what is wrong is defending it when in your hearts and mind you know it was a mistake.

 

[Bob]

Once folks really understand what is in that health bill ...it will be interesting to see how the Democrats "spin it." I for one refuse, no matter what party I belong too..to not speak up when something is not right. As I listen, and try reading through the bill...it is becoming very clear...that there are many parts in it that smell, that are padded, and that are not good for America. There are some good things in it, but not sure they will out weight the bad. Seems like all the really good things happen right away, but the bad stuff comes years later.

We didn't elect a King and his court...we elected a president. A president that should listen to ALL Americans...and not push his agenda so fast that no one (not even him) knows what is in the bill he is signing. I really don't see a good leader, I do see a scrapper, a very political" guy, that has surrounded himself with some folks, who wish to radically change America, and break us financially. I see a man who is not afraid to say one thing and then do another. It is hard for me to put my faith in him to do the right thing because he can't even keep his word. He said what he needed to get elected and then he does what ever he wants...I hope and pray that he doesn't have a secret agenda, that we will discover too late.

You all. that are "straight up" Obama folks... as time goes by, will eventually have to put your talking point papers away and start thinking for yourselves. There is nothing wrong in admitting that something is not right, what is wrong is defending it when in your hearts and mind you know it was a mistake.

how long did they debate the issue? what did the republicans contribute?

 

[LuciferSam]

Once folks really understand what is in that health bill ...it will be interesting to see how the Democrats "spin it." I for one refuse, no matter what party I belong too..to not speak up when something is not right. As I listen, and try reading through the bill...it is becoming very clear...that there are many parts in it that smell, that are padded, and that are not good for America. There are some good things in it, but not sure they will out weight the bad. Seems like all the really good things happen right away, but the bad stuff comes years later.

We didn't elect a King and his court...we elected a president. A president that should listen to ALL Americans...and not push his agenda so fast that no one (not even him) knows what is in the bill he is signing. I really don't see a good leader, I do see a scrapper, a very political" guy, that has surrounded himself with some folks, who wish to radically change America, and break us financially. I see a man who is not afraid to say one thing and then do another. It is hard for me to put my faith in him to do the right thing because he can't even keep his word. He said what he needed to get elected and then he does what ever he wants...I hope and pray that he doesn't have a secret agenda, that we will discover too late.

You all. that are "straight up" Obama folks... as time goes by, will eventually have to put your talking point papers away and start thinking for yourselves. There is nothing wrong in admitting that something is not right, what is wrong is defending it when in your hearts and mind you know it was a mistake.

I hate to break it to you, but your not the only one saying "hurray for our side".

 

[melliedee]

..I hope and pray that he doesn't have a secret agenda, that we will discover too late.

Such as?