Obama a Partisan President

[idlewind]

Thx for reaching back. Lately I think we have agreed on much so I felt bad about our latest exchange. We're good though.

Mine is never meant to be personal, sometimes I get carried away.;-) I am a frustrated comic.

 

[Em]

I wouldn't put anything past Congress. There are political reasons why Republican's would vote against the bill, there are also moral and ethical reasons why Republican's might vote against it, and there are fiscal responsibilities as to why the Reps might vote against it.

I wonder how much pork the dems allowed the reps to be stuffed into the bill. If the dems allowed the bill to be stuffed with republican pork, we would have seen more republicans voting for it. It seems to me that the republicans were left out of the bill and that is the primary reason why they voted against it. Call it partisan, but call it on both sides.

 

[Arkiehawg]

What the heck is wrong with being partisan? Are we such a bunch of milquetoasts that we can't handle ideas that differ from our own? Our executive branch of government has been occupied by partisans from the beginning.

Everyone loves partisanship....WHEN your side is the majority....and HATES it when your side isn't....;-)

 

[DuneAHH]

What the heck is wrong with being partisan? Are we such a bunch of milquetoasts that we can't handle ideas that differ from our own? Our executive branch of government has been occupied by partisans from the beginning.

I concur... thoughtful and balanced partisanship is healthy.
Sadly however, judging from the ridiculously incendiary email myths circulated by otherwise intelligent folks (of both sides)...
largely, we ARE a bunch of milquetoasts.

 

[Yzarctoo]

All I'm saying is that everybody thinks their side is right and will continue to rally their position, even when as in your case they are down for the count. My post was mainly in response to your remark "defending it when in your hearts and mind you know it was a mistake". Well you can't speak for others. Sometimes one's loss is somebody else's gain. Right now a lot of people are happy with the outcome and will be more and more pleased as time goes on. They are rightfully cheering even though you are disappointed. Clearly at this point in time you have nothing to cheer about I must concede.

But SAM, are those that are cheering, and patting themselves on the back, and raises their glasses in glee...really thrilled, really excited, and really happy? I might not know what they are really thinking, but bet as more and more comes out, and more families are hit with higher taxes, and broken promises...their minds and hearts will be telling them one thing...but their mouths will say another, because that is how politics work...you go down with your party on the sinking ship, I guess we all do it to some extend, but even an old rat knows when to desert a sinking ship...shame we humans refuse to do that.

 

[Matt J]

In answer to Mellidee..."change" America and make us an European type government with a socialist type format...the government will be your Mama, your papa, and even that favorite aunt...they will take care of all your needs...you don't work for yourself...you work for the good of all. SHARE THAT WEALTH!!!!!!

In answer to Bob...a debate is only fair when the other side shares the ball. Closed doors, ignored requests, and having more players on one side so that the vote is always one way (THEIR WAY).. the Dems and their king enjoyed the "spit in your face"attitude, both to the Rebublicans in congress and to the American people. Usually lies and special deals aren't considered "facts or truths" in a debate.

Sam, don't know how to respond to you...because your comment left me confused.

At least learn the difference between socialism and communism. :roll:

Wikipedia

 

[Geo]

The healthcare bill has its flaws. And truth be told it is more of a health insurance reform bill than anything. But there are some very positive things in this bill that will help a lot of people. We will see how it turns out.

I found it funny that you were talking about old rats abandoning a sinking ship. Funny because you seemed to be applying this analogy exclusively to the democratic party. After watching Bush squander the support of the world after 9-11 by invading Iraq and spending recklessly. After watching an inexperienced black socialist who wasn't born here beat an experienced war hero with his plumber and his weathergirl running mate, after watching the liberal Pelosi and the gay guy with the lisp prevail by sneaking the healthcare bill by while the republicans were drunk and hungover from Brown's Massachusetts win,,,

I can't help but think the dems ship isn't the only one sinking...

Just sayin...

 

[Em]

It's all politics. Not sure about the validity of this article, but it is interesting:

Kent Conrad Scores Special Student Loan Deal For North Dakota In Reconciliation Package

(link)
It looks like Kent Conrad (D-ND), who chairs the Senate Budget Committee through which any reconciliation bill must pass, scored a nice, little, special deal for his home state as part of the student loan reform portion of the reconciliation package. From the summary of the bill:

Section 2213. Agreements with State-Owned Banks. This section amends Part D of Title IV to direct the Secretary to enter into an agreement with an eligible lender for the purpose of providing Federal loan insurance on student loans made by state-owned banks.

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Guess which is the only state-owned bank in the entire country?that?s right, it is the Bank of North Dakota.
Personally, I like the idea of state-owned banks to handle the states? own bank accounts, and make long term investments in the local economy. The Bank of North Dakota has done some good for the state, and could be a model for others. If the one provision in this bill encourages a few other states to create state-owned banks, it might not even be a bad thing. But, as it currently stands, this is clearly a special deal secured by Kent Conrad for his home state.
I said all along that Democrats just couldn?t help themselves when it came to special deals in the reconciliation package. Even though they knew special deals like this were helping to kill support for the bill, they still slipped more special deals into the reconciliation package. A reconciliation package whose main point was to ?fix? all the the problematic special deals in the first bill.

Update: Within a few hours of this posting of the original article, Sen. Conrad had his staff call the House to remove this special favor from the ?fix bill.?

 

[Matt J]

It's all politics. Not sure about the validity of this article, but it is interesting:

Kent Conrad Scores Special Student Loan Deal For North Dakota In Reconciliation Package

(link)
It looks like Kent Conrad (D-ND), who chairs the Senate Budget Committee through which any reconciliation bill must pass, scored a nice, little, special deal for his home state as part of the student loan reform portion of the reconciliation package. From the summary of the bill:

Section 2213. Agreements with State-Owned Banks. This section amends Part D of Title IV to direct the Secretary to enter into an agreement with an eligible lender for the purpose of providing Federal loan insurance on student loans made by state-owned banks.

​

Guess which is the only state-owned bank in the entire country?that?s right, it is the Bank of North Dakota.
Personally, I like the idea of state-owned banks to handle the states? own bank accounts, and make long term investments in the local economy. The Bank of North Dakota has done some good for the state, and could be a model for others. If the one provision in this bill encourages a few other states to create state-owned banks, it might not even be a bad thing. But, as it currently stands, this is clearly a special deal secured by Kent Conrad for his home state.
I said all along that Democrats just couldn?t help themselves when it came to special deals in the reconciliation package. Even though they knew special deals like this were helping to kill support for the bill, they still slipped more special deals into the reconciliation package. A reconciliation package whose main point was to ?fix? all the the problematic special deals in the first bill.

Update: Within a few hours of this posting of the original article, Sen. Conrad had his staff call the House to remove this special favor from the ?fix bill.?

Murray, having worked in student loans this was simply a fix to the current system. At present only private bank funds are lent as student loans. Overall student loans are a very good investment. The vast majority are paid back and the overall return is pretty high. A lender can also specifically offer loans to certain demographics i.e. certain schools, states, or states of residency.

This was hardly a back room deal or pork. I'm not saying that is what you were implying, just thought I'd explain what it was in plain English.

 

[Em]

Don't think it was pork, but it appears much like the rest of politics -- funneling gov't money to a limited number of friends of politicians for the sake of re-election. Politics today is nothing more than paying back votes. Many politicians change their mind on a whim depending on friends getting paid or votes being bought. Democrat, Republican -- it doesn't really matter. What I was saying earlier about the pork is that if the Republicans had been able to throw their sacks of goodies into the bill, we would have seen republicans voting for this bill. If there is partisan politics being played, don't look at only the votes. Look at the reason why the votes are the way they are -- by doing so, you will likely find that the republican politicians' interests were not included by the dems in the making of the bill.