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Obama UN Speech
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i watched the presidents speech this morning from my office as i do often. my feelings are mixed.
as usual the president refered to the past admin with blame in his oh so elequent way of words and continually apologizes for americas past mistakes. you cannot lead foreign delegates in such a way and expect for the free worlds enemies to put down their guns. in fact, immediately after obama spoke, kadafi spoke and its was obvious obamas words meant nothing. and soon we'll here from hugo and the iranian dictator himself and i assure you unless we're strong with these thugs we will never rid the world of them.
but, at the same time he was blunt on many issues and frankly its about time an american president pushes back. bush did it plenty, but he couldnt deliver like obama. the world body had to be told in a stern manor that america cannot always take the lead and do everything alone. and he did so brilliantly i thought.
however, i also didnt hear the president talk about america's greatness. instead, i heard him put his own country down for foreign sympathy as if that works. world leaders never put their own nation down. and this nation has done more for this world than all other nations combined. this country badly needs this kind of inspirational leader, but obama isnt the man to deliver it. judging by his background and those he has surrounded himself with, the president i believe has more hatred towards the US than anything. and im judging this by his words as well as his actions. empty words im afraid are all i hear and in the end, actions speak louder than words...
as usual the president refered to the past admin with blame in his oh so elequent way of words and continually apologizes for americas past mistakes. you cannot lead foreign delegates in such a way and expect for the free worlds enemies to put down their guns. in fact, immediately after obama spoke, kadafi spoke and its was obvious obamas words meant nothing. and soon we'll here from hugo and the iranian dictator himself and i assure you unless we're strong with these thugs we will never rid the world of them.
but, at the same time he was blunt on many issues and frankly its about time an american president pushes back. bush did it plenty, but he couldnt deliver like obama. the world body had to be told in a stern manor that america cannot always take the lead and do everything alone. and he did so brilliantly i thought.
however, i also didnt hear the president talk about america's greatness. instead, i heard him put his own country down for foreign sympathy as if that works. world leaders never put their own nation down. and this nation has done more for this world than all other nations combined. this country badly needs this kind of inspirational leader, but obama isnt the man to deliver it. judging by his background and those he has surrounded himself with, the president i believe has more hatred towards the US than anything. and im judging this by his words as well as his actions. empty words im afraid are all i hear and in the end, actions speak louder than words...
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absolutely correct!
i also noticed he called the israelis occupiers while making the palestinians the victims.
i watched it again and caught onto alot more than i originally did. thats obamas brilliant way with words.
MattChrist Live
Beach Lover
I have a slightly different take on his speech. I've been studying international relations for the past year and a half and this speech hit the nail on the head. KKDDBB, the President didn't apologize for America or Americans, he apologized for the recent unilateralist approach we've taken in foreign affairs (specifically, the Bush Doctrine). There are entire classes, entire textbooks devoted to the failure of America's unilateralist approach in foreign policy, and how this approach has made not only us, but the entire world less safe. Oh, and the textbooks are written oh so eloquently.
This was a speech that was delivered with the intention of letting the world know clearly and squarely that the USA is not seeking total hegemony, (as many people in the far corners of the world believe) but is instead intent on maintaing hegemonic stability, and ergo peace. Yes, he did rebuke Bush so he could show there's a new sheriff in town.
It was also a politically savvy speech because it appealed to the UN group of 77, so LDCs are at least more likely now to vote in our favor. Of course, this alone doesn't eradicate middle eastern tyrants and pimped out dictators (hello Muammar Qaddafi), nor does it provide any insurance of a unified security council. This is why diplomacy and not unilateral military strong arming is so en vouge right now. Think the missile defense shield change in Europe this past week was just a flippant decision the White House made?...think again. Russia could very well now side with us in a decision to sanction Iran. Given the domestic unrest there and new unpopularity of the Iranian president, economic sanctions could very well warm their nuclear negotiators to the West's views.
So yes, Obama did separate himself from his predecessor (not blame) and announced the USA was willing to get back into the diplomacy business. This was national chest pumping, telling the world how great America is.
As for your belief that Obama "has more hatred towards the US than anything...", I'm not going to even try to convince you otherwise because you simply can't believe anything else in your head and you're certainly beyond reproach by me.
his entire life thus far is backed by anti-americanism. everything he believes is everything we're not. perhaps you may want to look into who he was before he became president as i have in great detail. he doesnt hate this nation, but he feels it needs a major overhaul and that overhaul is certainly not what made us who we are.
LuciferSam
Banned
Our country has had some major overhauls throughout it's history. Arguments from tradition don't cut it. Maintaining the status quo for it's own sake is a mistake. Failure to realize that is the conservative's biggest folly.
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i will respectfully disagree with you, but its great to have a thought out debate. thats hard to come by on this site.
that said, if you think russia is going to go along with us now that we pulled out missile defense system, i think you have another thing coming. russia is interested in russia-period. fuel is what they want to profit from and iran makes that happen. sanctions against iran ruins that leverage. russia has always and will forever do whats in russias interest. and by pulling the system, we stabbed two allies in the back. we saw what russia did in georgia and now these allies will fear the same. thats not diplomacy. you dont push aside your allies to message the bigger problem or in this case americas enemy and russia is certainly not our friend. we also saw this with hondurus....a huge diplomatic mistake
and he most certainly did not separate himself from bush, he flat out blamed him in cuddly words. and its not just bush he blames either. read obamas work and his books to see how he feels about this countries history. the world wont see these words as chest bumping america, they heard it for what it is. qaddafi himself said he wanted obama to be president forever and praised him every chance he got in his 90 minute rant.
and i should clarify my hatred comment and im glad you brought that up. i dont think he hates america, but he certainly doesnt see it for the good it is. again, i judge this not by his current words as much as his past. ive looked into his past in great detail and have been unpleasantly surprised to learn somethings. i do think he loves his country, but his vision is not what has made this country what it is. he is certainly at great odds with our founders thats for sure.
again, thanks for the good debate. its quit refreshing.....
