Obamacare mandate on the ropes

[AndrewG]

I'd take the supposed "low standard of care" that is Great Britain over the current healthcare for most Americans.

All of the British people and Americans over 65 I've talked to think their health care is great, so I don't find it to be that horrible of a fate.

Scooter, I don't know any British folks who remotely like their healthcare system. It worries me when Americans go around supporting socialized healthcare without truly understanding how it's going to affect them. Thomas Jefferson says our Gov't was created to protect and encourage private industry. It's the conerstone of our nations success.

Obamacare was guaranteed to save money and not ration care both of which have been proven to be huge lies. We can't afford it. What happens when you mortgage something you can't afford?

 

[Andy A]

Scoottebug, I have a little project for you. Some night when you have a lot of time, go over to Sacred Heart and sit in the emergency room and count the number of people turned away seeking treatment. Any kind of treatment. If you find one, let us know. We pay for them. I don't think it is the best way to provide healthcare but for many that is how it is provided and, consequently, they receive care you and I pay for.
About the British system. How many times do I have to say I had family treated under it and, in the end, it turned out to be a disaster.
You're extremely smart, Scooter, but sometimes even you let your liberal idealism get in the way of what actually occurs in the world.

 

[Rita]

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And then my UK friends are aghast at our system! They recognize some things they'd like improved with theirs, but would not consider trading it for ours. One teaches at University of Ulster in a medical related field, one is a hematologist, one owns a bus transport company and another works for the BBC. Some of these folks, in talking with them, I find to be better educated in our politics and medical care than most of us Americans are.

Bottom line though is that most of us don't know their system as well as we think we do, and they don't understand ours as well as they think they do.

And I think the inflammatory spew below needs to be supported.

Obamacare was guaranteed to save money and not ration care both of which have been proven to be huge lies.

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[idlewind]

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And then my UK friends are aghast at our system! They recognize some things they'd like improved with theirs, but would not consider trading it for ours. One teaches at University of Ulster in a medical related field, one is a hematologist, one owns a bus transport company and another works for the BBC. Some of these folks, in talking with them, I find to be better educated in our politics and medical care than most of us Americans are.

Bottom line though is that most of us don't know their system as well as we think we do, and they don't understand ours as well as they think they do.

And I think the inflammatory spew below needs to be supported.



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Even more telling is this:

Great Britain has a single payer system funded by general revenues. With any centralized system, avoiding deficits is difficult. In 2006, Great Britain had a £700 million deficit despite the fact that health care spending increased by £43 billion over five years

We simply cannot afford a single payer system which is where Obamacare is headed. We are already so far in debt we may never recover and simply cannot afford anyting that adds to that debt no matter how great the program is.

 

[scooterbug44]

Sacred Heart is a Hilton compared to most of the EDs in this country - private donors make sure people can still get treatment if they cannot pay. That is not the case for most of the US.

I am not saying that we should model our health care industry on Britain, I am saying that based on firsthand discussion with people who have recently been/are being treated by that system I don't think it is as bad as some would like us to believe.

I think one thing we should all be able to agree on is that our current system is not the best and is not fiscally sustainable.

 

[AndrewG]

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And then my UK friends are aghast at our system! They recognize some things they'd like improved with theirs, but would not consider trading it for ours. One teaches at University of Ulster in a medical related field, one is a hematologist, one owns a bus transport company and another works for the BBC. Some of these folks, in talking with them, I find to be better educated in our politics and medical care than most of us Americans are.

Bottom line though is that most of us don't know their system as well as we think we do, and they don't understand ours as well as they think they do.

And I think the inflammatory spew below needs to be supported.



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Guess you haven't been following Obamacare at all in the last few months. http://blogs.forbes.com/peterferrara/2011/06/16/how-obamacare-will-further-explode-the-deficit/

It's inflammatory spew if you don't know what's going on I guess. Unfortunately it's fact and not spew.

 

[Rita]

Guess you haven't been following Obamacare at all in the last few months. http://blogs.forbes.com/peterferrara/2011/06/16/how-obamacare-will-further-explode-the-deficit/

It's inflammatory spew if you don't know what's going on I guess. Unfortunately it's fact and not spew.

Your blogger doesn’t prove anything to be lies, let alone huge lies, expense-wise or “rationed care” fears. He just presents how he thinks it will turn out using “likely” an inordinate amount of the time to cover his arse. It remains to be seen.

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[scooterbug44]

Much of that article was him using facts to predict what will happen in the future. It was nice to see actual numbers and data a part of the discussion.

I agree with most of his conclusions, but that does not mean they WILL happen, it means they CAN happen and we need to make sure that they do not.

Much of this is predicated on the rapidly rising costs of health care and health insurance. If we can check those, it will make a big difference in the bottom line.

For example, I think the employer fines costing a fraction of what health insurance would obviously needs to be changed.

And I don't think the fiscally concerned general public is going to simply let $15 trillion in cuts be thrown out.

The current healthcare bill is far from perfect. There is a great deal of room for revisions and improvements.

 

[AndrewG]

I'm amazed at how few of you can follow this to conclusion. The time for hoping is over, it's time to stop spending. The new $1billion handout to idiotic home buyers is a prime example of how this administration keeps making things worse. The stimulus was reported today to have been a complete failure on the economy.

What is it going to take to get folks on both sides to wake up and be fiscally responsible. Americans have become selfish and only care about taking from the gov't's coffers.

 

[scooterbug44]

I agree - which is why I said his conclusion that voters would let them ignore the proposed $15 trillion in cuts was incorrect.